OT: Washington Football Team: 2021 Training Camp and Preseason

[CapitalsCupReality]

He disgusts me now….lol.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

That beard. He doesn’t need to wear a mask with Cousin It on his face.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

It’s not about disliking him. It’s about recognizing value.

To each their own here, but time has proven it was the correct decision to move on. That’s all.

Anyone can claim otherwise - but not with a straight face.

They gave Alex Smith what Cousins asked for. Now look at the domino effect in cap room and picks before and after Smith snapped his leg. Now that’s value.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

This is what I think about when I hear Kirk Cousins’ name... what a doofus.

Now do Chase Young.

"I tell all the guys, I say, 'If you get it, you get it. If you don't, you don't, you know, Coach Rivera is not going to be mad at you. Any of the captains, we're not going to be mad. So if you get it, you get it. If you don't, you don't,'" Young said.

Chase Young: Vaccination is a 'personal choice'

 

[g00n]

Dumbass.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

It is a personal choice….but so is doing the right thing.

Let’s see some keys guys miss games and game checks, then let’s check in on who’s mad at who….

 

[John Price]

 

[Ridley Simon]

cancelled the jersey order

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

 

[AlexBrovechkin8]

I can’t believe there is football on this week. And the Premier League starts this weekend. The Olympics were great to get through the summer lull.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

Add Sweat to the name and shame list, right?

 

[tenken00]

I think it's at the point where its a cultural pushback against shaming more than about health or choice right now. People just dig in stubbornly when they feel like others are shaming them. It's an "us" vs "them" attitude now.

Just let people do whatever. If that means we forfeit games, we forfeit games.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

I can’t believe there is football on this week. And the Premier League starts this weekend. The Olympics were great to get through the summer lull.

It is preseason. Turned on that DAL/PIT game and lasted 5 min. No names. Different when it’s your team but still, watching bad football is watching bad football.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

I think it's at the point where its a cultural pushback against shaming more than about health or choice right now. People just dig in stubbornly when they feel like others are shaming them. It's an "us" vs "them" attitude now.

Just let people do whatever. If that means we forfeit games, we forfeit games.

Exactly. It’s mind your own ****ing business time.

 

[g00n]

Exactly. It’s mind your own ****ing business time.

Your ability to spread a deadly disease because you won't put on a f***ing mask or get a safe/effective vaccine is my business, bud.

 

[tenken00]

Exactly. It’s mind your own ****ing business time.

Well, I would prefer everyone get vaccinated... lol

But I think at this point, you are not going to get people who are already dug in by shaming them. Shaming them will only lead them to dig in more. I understood your point about that when you made it awhile back.

So if those that would rather not vaccinate are willing to take that risk, then the team has to take that risk.

But if we happen to lose out on a playoff berth because of forfeiture of games. Well, that's entirely on those players. And I hope they are ready for that.

 

[g00n]

Well, I would prefer everyone get vaccinated... lol

But I think at this point, you are not going to get people who are already dug in by shaming them. Shaming them will only lead them to dig in more. I understood your point about that when you made it awhile back.

So if those that would rather not vaccinate are willing to take that risk, then the team has to take that risk.

But if we happen to lose out on a playoff berth because of forfeiture of games. Well, that's entirely on those players. And I hope they are ready for that.

What else would you suggest? There have to be consequences for this behavior. They're not listening to the real science and are instead buying into disinformation from bad faith actors and quacks. The only alternative is social pressure.

Call it a "choice" if you want but it's a horrible choice that affects others in extreme ways.

 

[AlexBrovechkin8]

It is preseason. Turned on that DAL/PIT game and lasted 5 min. No names. Different when it’s your team but still, watching bad football is watching bad football.

Yeah for sure. Still, it means that good football is (hopefully) right around the corner. And it means that the awful DC summers are coming to a close.

 

[tenken00]

What else would you suggest? There have to be consequences for this behavior. They're not listening to the real science and are instead buying into disinformation from bad faith actors and quacks. The only alternative is social pressure.

Call it a "choice" if you want but it's a horrible choice that affects others in extreme ways.

Well. Nothing else to do but let them abide by their decisions.. and the consequences of their decisions. You can't really do much more unless you physically strap them down. It's not the military.

Just keep on encouraging players, show the benefits of getting it for the individual and for the team. And for the coach of course. But without all the negativity and public shaming. What else can you do?

 

[g00n]

It's also a "choice" to use racial slurs against people. People can continue the practice, but there are social consequences for that behavior.

With something even more impactful and dangerous such as a disease that mutates the longer we allow it to thrive, why are we handling this topic like a live grenade? We don't have decades to wear people down with incremental change and evolving social norms as was the case with a lot of offensive language. The "choice" to be ignorant has to be called out asap, as a matter of life and death for many.

"Oh that's just how they are" is the same shit people said in the early civil rights days when excusing bad behavior, some of which WAS deadly.

 

[tenken00]

It's also a "choice" to use racial slurs against people. People can continue the practice, but there are social consequences for that behavior.

With something even more impactful and dangerous such as a disease that mutates the longer we allow it to thrive, why are we handling this topic like a live grenade? We don't have decades to wear people down with incremental change and evolving social norms as was the case with a lot of offensive language. The "choice" to be ignorant has to be called out asap, as a matter of life and death for many.

"Oh that's just how they are" is the same shit people said in the early civil rights days when excusing bad behavior, some of which WAS deadly.

Are we talking about the attitude towards the vaccine within the larger public, or just the WFT team specifically? I meant just talking about our football team.

If I was Ron Rivera, I would try to make it into a team unity thing.

Perhaps to stop the public shaming, I would make all team players and staff wear masks and not just unvaccinated ones. I'll try to spin it by saying once everyone is vaccinated we'll all take the masks back off. But we are a team 100%. We do things all as a team or we don't do things all as a team. Whatever we do, we do it all together 100%.

 

[g00n]

Are we talking about the attitude towards the vaccine within the larger public, or just the WFT team specifically? I meant just talking about our football team.

If I was Ron Rivera, I would try to make it into a team unity thing.

Perhaps to stop the public shaming, I would make all team players and staff wear masks and not just unvaccinated ones. I'll try to spin it by saying once everyone is vaccinated we'll all take the masks back off. But we are a team 100%. We do things all as a team or we don't do things all as a team. Whatever we do, we do it all together 100%.

I don't think you can really separate the two by now. People are having their heads filled with crazy crap and that informs these decisions.

I think your idea sounds good from a unity messaging standpoint but I'm not sure it totally fixes things. People who are opposed to vax even resist masking and when they do mask they often cut corners by nosing etc. Then they keep pushing the boundaries until people are tired of correcting them. And when they're not at a team facility they're probably still behaving as though the pandemic doesn't exist. So they could be bringing COVID into the team facility while incorrectly using their masks.

There is an easy, practical, safe solution: get the damn shot.

And if you don't maybe you have to practice separate from the team. Maybe that affects your readiness for Sunday. Maybe that affects your playing time.

For a long time coaches have tried to get players to lose weight or otherwise change habits using this same carrot and stick. And that was just when it affected the individual's health, not everyone else's. So even more cause to use that leverage now.

 

[kicksavedave]

Exactly. It’s mind your own ****ing business time.

Nope! Not at all. Its MY business if you smoke a cig on an airplane because that affects my health. Its MY business if you play with fire in the brush outside my house because that puts my life/property at risk. Its MY business if you voluntarily choose to ignore safety precautions when driving your car on my street because that puts my child's life at risk.

If you choose to ignore simple medical practice which causes a pandemic that has killed millions to continue, increasing the risk that it morphs into something even more deadly and more easily spread to infect other innocent people who ARE doing the right things, that is MY business and I will continue to name, shame and criticize people who act so irresponsibly to their fellow humanity. If you think its your right to be an a hole, then its also my right to call you an a hole.

Not you personally, WetHog. In this context "you" being those people who are refusing to do the right thing for "political" reasons, or because they are unable to do any critical thinking and look at real science, instead being lead by the nose from other politically motivated disinformation campaigners.

Like the meme says "I don't know how to convince you to care about other people".

 

[tenken00]

I don't think you can really separate the two by now. People are having their heads filled with crazy crap and that informs these decisions.

I think your idea sounds good from a unity messaging standpoint but I'm not sure it totally fixes things. People who are opposed to vax even resist masking and when they do mask they often cut corners by nosing etc. Then they keep pushing the boundaries until people are tired of correcting them. And when they're not at a team facility they're probably still behaving as though the pandemic doesn't exist. So they could be bringing COVID into the team facility while incorrectly using their masks.

There is an easy, practical, safe solution: get the damn shot.

And if you don't maybe you have to practice separate from the team. Maybe that affects your readiness for Sunday. Maybe that affects your playing time.

For a long time coaches have tried to get players to lose weight or otherwise change habits using this same carrot and stick. And that was just when it affected the individual's health, not everyone else's. So even more cause to use that leverage now.

That's the thing. If vaccinated players and staff are worried or are tired of wearing masks they can talk to their peers and co-workers about it. But it can't come as an order or directive from above. It has to come from within.