Confirmed Trade: [VGK/NJD] Gusev to NJ for a 3rd round ('20) and 2nd round ('21)

[Kshahdoo]

Kane and Ovi play some semblance of defense or physicality when it comes to Ovi. They don't just ignore defense altogether. Gusev WILL have to learn to play defense when he doesn't have the puck instead of just waiting for linemates to do it then feed him the puck.

Defense is often about effort. And so far, Gusev just has not shown near enough effort without the puck. And taht is what people have issues with.

Why Their Defense Doesn't Matter for Patrick Kane and Alex Ovechkin

 

[TrufleShufle]

Kovy didn't play a lick of defense when he came to the Devils, by the time he left he was playing the PK. Obviously we don't have the same staff and Gusev isn't Kovy, but it is possible for guys to buy into playing defense, so I'm giving it some time.

 

[AfroThunder396]

I don't need him to be a Selke contender, I need him to not be an active detriment. It's a penalty kill when he's on the ice in the defensive zone.

 

[Tripod]

Why Their Defense Doesn't Matter for Patrick Kane and Alex Ovechkin

And Ovi has come a long way since being that player.

 

[RSeen]

Still somehow has 3 times more goals, than Hall and Hughes combined for 1/10th of their ice time...

And if he played for a team, that really knew, how to utilize his talent, he would have been a PPG+ player right now...

He has a 33% CF%. He is getting shelled in.

There is a reason Gusev is getting limited minutes and that is because he is a liability right now.

The 3 goals is nice and all but the sample size is extremely small. While yes this is true for the CF% as well, corsi is more indicative of quality of play in this case.

 

[Kshahdoo]

He has a 33% CF%. He is getting shelled in.

There is a reason Gusev is getting limited minutes and that is because he is a liability right now.

The 3 goals is nice and all but the sample size is extremely small. While yes this is true for the CF% as well, corsi is more indicative of quality of play in this case.

Well, his goals are pretty much indicative as well. He can create them out of nothing. It was like this in all leagues/tournaments he played before, and it's like this in the NHL. There are very few players, who are able to do it.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

That 2021 2nd round pick thou... will be worth a lot.
Early (early mid) 2021 2nd round pick would be a 1st rounder in many drafts.

 

[goonybird]

That 2021 2nd round pick thou... will be worth a lot.
Early (early mid) 2021 2nd round pick would be a 1st rounder in many drafts.

5 is the product of 2 + 2 in many cases

 

[Blender]

He has a 33% CF%. He is getting shelled in.

There is a reason Gusev is getting limited minutes and that is because he is a liability right now.

The 3 goals is nice and all but the sample size is extremely small. While yes this is true for the CF% as well, corsi is more indicative of quality of play in this case.

Gusev also has a 20% shooting percentage right now. His goals are nice, but he's not playing well and has overproduced.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

That 2021 2nd round pick thou... will be worth a lot.
Early (early mid) 2021 2nd round pick would be a 1st rounder in many drafts.

"next year's draft is LOADED"

rinse, repeat. We hear the same shit every year.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Gusev also has a 20% shooting percentage right now. His goals are nice, but he's not playing well and has overproduced.

Gusev had 3 KHL season with around 15% shooting percentage. Last season was different, but then he had 17% in playoffs. He just shoots really well.

 

[TrufleShufle]

"next year's draft is LOADED"

rinse, repeat. We hear the same **** every year.

Well there is projected to be like 217 prospects picked next year.

 

[Blender]

Gusev had 3 KHL season with around 15% shooting percentage. Last season was different, but then he had 17% in playoffs. He just shoots really well.

This is what everyone says for NHL players who overproduce with high shooting percentages. Good goal scorers are high volume shooters and players who score a lot over a short time period with a high shooting percentage never keep it up long term.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Gusev will have a 20 game adjustment in the defensive zone, his top end speed isn't that bad actually just his cuts, turns and agility aren't all that good yet. This comes from playing on big ice. I expect a much bigger second season once he adjusts his offseason training.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

This is what everyone says for NHL players who overproduce with high shooting percentages. Good goal scorers are high volume shooters and players who score a lot over a short time period with a high shooting percentage never keep it up long term.

Actually pass first players who have good shots are often high % shooters, they pass the low to medium danger scoring chances and shoot the high percentage areas. Hemsky was known for this.

 

[Blender]

Actually pass first players who have good shots are often high % shooters, they pass the low to medium danger scoring chances and shoot the high percentage areas. Hemsky was known for this.

Hemsky shot 10.5% over his career, his career high in goals was 23, and he averaged 17 goals per 82 games. Gusev is on pace for 35 goals right now, he's overproduced in goals.

 

[CupInSIX]

That 2021 2nd round pick thou... will be worth a lot.
Early (early mid) 2021 2nd round pick would be a 1st rounder in many drafts.

Hopefully it's a really high 2nd or they package it with one of their other 2nd rounders to get another 1st.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I like how we already somehow know that a 2nd round pick TWO drafts away will be high. Got to love it.

 

[MMC]

Scratched

 

[CupInSIX]

Scratched

He needs to learn the NA game in the AHL for half a year or so.

 

[ijuka]

Wow. I know I wasn't as high on him as I was on Radulov, but it's pretty crazy to think that the highly touted best player in KHL is actually a bust at the NHL level.

Honestly, this along with some other disappointing performances by KHL players makes me wonder whether KHL really is a rather poor league for NHL development. Radulov works but that's because he puts in 500% more effort than your average KHL player and has a unique attitude.

 

[Hostile Offer]

I like how we already somehow know that a 2nd round pick TWO drafts away will be high. Got to love it.

Not only that but it'll be like a first rounder on most other drafts!

 

[Curufinwe]

I like how we already somehow know that a 2nd round pick TWO drafts away will be high. Got to love it.

And if NJ are out of the playoff race in February, they will be able to trade players for picks.

 

[Bankers Box]

Wow. I know I wasn't as high on him as I was on Radulov, but it's pretty crazy to think that the highly touted best player in KHL is actually a bust at the NHL level.

Honestly, this along with some other disappointing performances by KHL players makes me wonder whether KHL really is a rather poor league for NHL development. Radulov works but that's because he puts in 500% more effort than your average KHL player and has a unique attitude.

Way too early to call him a bust at the NHL level. He very talented but has no idea how to play defense. I think he just needs a bit more time to adjust to the NHL game. He really needs to work on his all around game to stick in the top 6 b.c he would be useless as a bottom sixer.

 

[AveryStar4Eva]

Is he to slow or just lost in the defencive zone? To bad that he’s not working out so far I didn’t think he’d be a start, but though he could cut it as a 2nd liner.