They are worth something, which means trading them for a toxic asset like Fleury would be a huge mistake.
Toxic? lol
They are worth something, which means trading them for a toxic asset like Fleury would be a huge mistake.
Toxic? lol
The comments made by some people about how Lehtonen has a better save percentage than Fleury right now and it's not worth it, shows me that they really don't know about Fleury and his numbers at all, they're basically just taking opinions by haters as gospel and that's the problem.
Fleury until this year was putting up .915, .920, and .921 save percentage. That .920 came about when Bales came on board and helped MAF get back on track. Last year, most Pens fans if they aren't ************ themselves, will tell you MAF was our most consistent player until his 2 concussions and Murray/Zatkoff became the tandem while he rehabbed it.
This year, he's slowly pulling his numbers up, but even then he's a .906 SV%, where as Niemi is .901 and Lehtonen is .902.
Lehtonen and Niemi have been trending down for years, Niemi before he got to the Stars and Lehtonen is a guy that is seemingly always hurt and likely needs to shed some weight to play a more effective game for his size. Steve Mason is the same way, the last 3yrs, he's been dropping. Neuvirth was an anomaly last year.
If nothing comes of this, i am curious who Dallas gets and what they give up. Because as of right now, we Pens fans know Fleury is going to be gone, but the better numbers he puts up, the better it is for us when he is moved as his value goes up, he can easily waive his NMC and the Vegas team can take him for nothing (even though I think McPHee is going to target his boy Grubauer and a good back up plan for him, Fleury isn't where he's going to put his cap space in), but when the dust settles, some team might over pay for Bishop and regret it when his cap space screws their team, of they finally pony up and this time, the Pens have the leverage.
And the last time Lehtonen was as good as Fleury was even last year, was 2011-12 and for Niemi, probably his first year in San Jose.
Dallas needs to keep patiently waiting for Price to go UFA.
And in the meantime maybe just just focus on neither taking nor drawing penalties or going to OTs, since their 5 on 5 sv% is apparently great.
Does Fleury really help any team NOW? I feel like a prudent General Manager will ride this out, force Pittsburgh to buy out Fleury prior to expansion, and then sign him to a reasonable deal in the summer. That must be desirable to giving away assets for him when most teams out there are solid in goal.
Winnipeg desperately needs G help.
944 (7 games) 917 928. Which is the abysmal season there? A buyout of Niemi is 4.25m less cap space than Fleury, and if Mason isn't hitting in the above average range why would anybody think he'd be getting a raise from that contract? Mason with Reese plus cap space is a better bet than Fleury
Does Fleury really help any team NOW? I feel like a prudent General Manager will ride this out, force Pittsburgh to buy out Fleury prior to expansion, and then sign him to a reasonable deal in the summer. That must be desirable to giving away assets for him when most teams out there are solid in goal.
Make a list of all the fanbases who want Fleury. Make a list of all the people who are having kittens about NMCs and a list of all the people that are pumped their team gave out a bunch of NMCs and compare the two. In the unlikely event he can't be moved or bought out he will destroy the future of your team. What do you think toxic means?
Why are you only using his time in Philly? That season that I bolded, his overall totals were a .916 save percentage.
In any case, Mason has been in the league 9 seasons, and has had a save percentage at or around .900 in 4 of those 9 seasons (almost half his career). His best season is .928, but other than that season he's never been above .920. So as a team acquiring him, you don't know which player you're getting. Fleury gives you more consistency. Since 2010, Fleury's consistently been between .913 to .921 save percentage. At worst, you're getting a .910-.913 goalie. With Mason, you're more likely to get a .900 goalie.
Fleury's also started 60+ games 6 times in his career (he missed out last season by 2 games due to concussion). Mason's hit 60 games or more only 2 times in his career. Durability matters to GMs. It has value. Knowing you can count on a starter to play 60 games per season over 40-50 games per season is a positive.
I mean, I get that you're not high on Fleury. But there's nothing that indicates Mason's a better option, both in terms of consistency and durability.
Because that's when he worked with Reese before. That's kinda the centerpiece of all of what I said, not sure why that is something you missed.
Does Fleury really help any team NOW? I feel like a prudent General Manager will ride this out, force Pittsburgh to buy out Fleury prior to expansion, and then sign him to a reasonable deal in the summer. That must be desirable to giving away assets for him when most teams out there are solid in goal.
Scoring on great teams playing well is ALWAYS tougher (for teams worse than you). It doesn't matter what style they play. You do realize the Pens have been in the bottom 10 in GA for each of the last 5 seasons ? Fleury's numbers are nothing spectacular. The only thing he's done is stay consistent in the regular season behind a great team. Jeff Zatkoff had over 91 save pct and a decent GAA every year with the Pens. He's probably the worst goalie in the league this year.
Which brings me to your point about the regular season, and that's correct. However, name me "more than a few" (that's a quote from you) teams who are not contenders but have goalie issues. Im guessing you're downplaying a lot of goalies around the league, or putting too much into something that has happened recently. I honestly don't see them.
Exactly, a legit #1 goalie came in and Fleury haven't had a chance since then. Maybe the Pens realized what it is to have a actual great goalie back there?
If i were to compile this list, i'd guarantee you none of the goalies in that list got more flack than Fleury over the years.
Those 286 regular season games he played behind a top team. He's struggling right now playing behind the same team and posting significantly worse numbers than Murray. If someone were to trade for him they'd have to
I said it would be a lot easier for teams to take a look if they got him for low $$ to play 1B behind their young guy as the veteran presence, but in most cases the Pens would have to retain so much it wouldn't make a difference whether they bought him out or not. (it was more of a sarcastic throw-in)
Maybe im sounding too harsh on Fleury. I think he could be a steady guy to have back there for teams looking for some sort of success. But the problem is i don't think he's better than what (almost) anyone has. It remains to be seen what GM's think of him.
Make a list of all the fanbases who want Fleury. Make a list of all the people who are having kittens about NMCs and a list of all the people that are pumped their team gave out a bunch of NMCs and compare the two. In the unlikely event he can't be moved or bought out he will destroy the future of your team. What do you think toxic means?
Personally, I will be surprised if Fleury gets a 4+ year deal at above 6M per.Vancouver gave a days away from turning 34 years old Ryan Miller (who pretty much wanted to only sign with west coast teams) a 6m cap hit right after a disappointing season and a horrible playoff performance. Pretty much on reputation alone.
Why does anyone assume that Fleury will end up with some short term bargain bin deal? Like less than Reimer bottom of the barrel.
Oh look, a pointless post.
Personally, I will be surprised if Fleury gets a 4+ year deal at above 6M per.
Personally, I will be surprised if Fleury gets a 4+ year deal at above 6M per.
Make a list of all the fanbases who want Fleury. Make a list of all the people who are having kittens about NMCs and a list of all the people that are pumped their team gave out a bunch of NMCs and compare the two. In the unlikely event he can't be moved or bought out he will destroy the future of your team. What do you think toxic means?