Confirmed Trade: [VAN/VGK] Nate Schmidt for 2022 3rd round pick - Part II

[Canucks LB]

It’s been 24 hours and I’m still pissed.

It’s been 24 hours and I’m still in shock

 

[BWJM]

Moderator was low key crushing on Nate

Wow dude sounds like a fantastic human. Would not be surprised if he becomes a fan favourite, not to mention what he'll do in the community.

 

[GetFocht]

When your competition on day 1 includes people like Merrill, Engelland, McNabb and Sbisa, I suppose it’s not hard to become a team’s #1 D-man on an expansion team after you were just left unprotected in the expansion draft.

Not to take anything away from Schmidt as he is a fine player but some of you are really exaggerating this trade. Yes, Vancouver won the trade and did very well but it is hardly the deal of the century.

If Schmidt was a UFA this year, he is not signing a contract with that AAV and term.

5 years at under 30 million? He absolutely would be signing that type of contract. He's going to be 33 years old when his contract is up. You can downplay it as much as you want but they got a top pairing defenceman out of this trade. His analytics and his on ice play prove it.

 

[Didalee Hed]

Coming from the guy with nothing but ad hominem attacks, this means absolutely nothing. Look in the mirror, bud.

 

[GetFocht]

Moderator was low key crushing on Nate

He's going to have a fine career in media after hockey. Reminds me of Bieksa

 

[hellstick]

I've read people hating this trade because the salary of Toffoli/Stecher would be equivalent to the salary of Schmidt. Personally, I'd rather have Schmidt over Toffoli, and Stecher, while useful, is a replaceable asset, though loved for being a local boy.

 

[GetFocht]

It’s been 24 hours and I’m still in shock

yep, I'm definitely savouring this one. I know we probably won't be getting to enjoy a trade like this for another decade.

 

[wonton15]

yep, I'm definitely savouring this one. I know we probably won't be getting to enjoy a trade like this for another decade.

Pretty crazy this trade got more discussion going than the Petro signing itself lol

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

I guess you could say the house doesn't always win.

 

[strattonius]

When your competition on day 1 includes people like Merrill, Engelland, McNabb and Sbisa, I suppose it’s not hard to become a team’s #1 D-man on an expansion team after you were just left unprotected in the expansion draft.

Not to take anything away from Schmidt as he is a fine player but some of you are really exaggerating this trade. Yes, Vancouver won the trade and did very well but it is hardly the deal of the century.

If Schmidt was a UFA this year, he is not signing a contract with that AAV and term.

I don't think anyone is exaggerating. All the analysis and some metrics are showing Schmidt is a top pairing d-man. It's insane to get that position for a 3rd rd pick. Reliable top.pairing d-men are rare commodities.

 

[Bitz and Bites]

Free agency in VanCity was looking like a huge flop until Benning magically pulled a rabbit out of his ass just before he got booed offstage.Guy should have is own show in Vegas...

 

[nbwingsfan]

How much better is Vegas with AP instead of Schmidt ? I realize AP is the goods but Schmidt was supposedly pretty good too. as an east coast guy I don’t see these players . Anyone that knows them both I’ll say thanks in advance for your comments

Petro is definitely the better player, top ~7d in the league

 

[nbwingsfan]

When your competition on day 1 includes people like Merrill, Engelland, McNabb and Sbisa, I suppose it’s not hard to become a team’s #1 D-man on an expansion team after you were just left unprotected in the expansion draft.

Not to take anything away from Schmidt as he is a fine player but some of you are really exaggerating this trade. Yes, Vancouver won the trade and did very well but it is hardly the deal of the century.

If Schmidt was a UFA this year, he is not signing a contract with that AAV and term.

He probably would yes.

Youre right that people sre overrating him though. Hes a very good #3D, not a #1 that some are saying.

With that said, this is still a slam dunk win for Vancouver

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

Yikes. Thinking this trade is incredible and thinking that the difference between Tanev and Schmidt isn't that big isn't mutually exclusive FFS.

To spell it out:

Yes. Great trade. Home run. Way to go Jim; not even remotely sarcastic.

Tanev is better at straight defense than Schmidt. The different between them in overall talent isn't as big as people are saying.

Attributing Tanev's success to Hughes is revisionist and completely illogical considering Tanev has been playing successfully without Hughes for years. Not to mention one could just as well attribute Hughes' success to Tanev. How you're citing their chemistry as a knock on Tanev doesn't make any sense either.

EDIT: I dunno man. I suggest more people read the Vegas forum.

Tanev has lost a lot of his legs. He cannot break the puck out like he used to. Hence, without Hughes (e.g. look at previous years or when he is paired with others) he gets hemmed into his zone.

He's good at 'in-zone' defense. He blocks shots well, and his hockey sense is good to so he knows which player will receive the puck in a dangerous position before they do. He gets there, and he neutralizes it.
However, that's only so useful when he gets stuck in his zone and the other team gets to continue their cycle.

I believe that he also isn't superior in defending against the rush like he used to be.

In an ideal world, Tanev is a #4 with the right partner. A good team could make him their #3 with the right partner as well.

Schmidt is not as good at in-zone D, but is better at literally everything else. He's a one man break out, he's really tough to beat on the rush. He's a #2. If he's on a 2nd pair, he doesn't need the right partner, he is the right partner. He can turn a 5 into a 4, just by virtue of being paired with him.

At this point in their respective careers, he is considerably superior to Tanev. And I love Tanev.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

When your competition on day 1 includes people like Merrill, Engelland, McNabb and Sbisa, I suppose it’s not hard to become a team’s #1 D-man on an expansion team after you were just left unprotected in the expansion draft.

Not to take anything away from Schmidt as he is a fine player but some of you are really exaggerating this trade. Yes, Vancouver won the trade and did very well but it is hardly the deal of the century.

If Schmidt was a UFA this year, he is not signing a contract with that AAV and term.

They went to the Cup finals That year.

And, he would be signed to something similar. I mean, you can argue that he may choose something short term (in order to wait out the cap during the covid era), but you can't argue that if he wants a long term deal he is getting less than 5x5, bare minimum.

Under non-covid circumstances, no way he signs for less than 6.5.

This is an incredible deal.

 

[Brazen331]

They went to the Cup finals That year.

And, he would be signed to something similar. I mean, you can argue that he may choose something short term (in order to wait out the cap during the covid era), but you can't argue that if he wants a long term deal he is getting less than 5x5, bare minimum.

Under non-covid circumstances, no way he signs for less than 6.5.

This is an incredible deal.

Whether or not they went to the Cup that year does not negate the fact that they are an expansion team that has never drafted higher than #6 overall.

I agree that it is an incredible deal.

 

[FreeMcdavid]

Free agency in VanCity was looking like a huge flop until Benning magically pulled a rabbit out of his ass just before he got booed offstage.Guy should have is own show in Vegas...

I dont really agree with free agency being a huge flop even before Schmidt.

They made a team decision, and the right one, not to offer Markstrom and Tanev long term massive contracts.
They are just too old for the core and when its cup window will open.

They refused to up the offer for OEL and give Arizona any value whatsover for OEL.

That leaves Tofolli and Stecher.

Friedman said Benning had been working on the Schmidt trade all weekend long and he thinks that deal was done by Saturday which fits the timeline on why he let Tofolli and Stecher walk.

I think with what was going on behind the scenes which of course the public isnt previ to it made it seem like Benning wasnt getting anyone signed when in reality he had Schmidt in his back pocket.

 

[FOurteenS inCisOr]

This has been a depressing trade for Benning haters. Don't you agree?

Benning haters are still Canucks fans.

This trade was fantastic, and made the Canucks better.

Why would it be depressing?

We’re not “Benning haters” for the hell of it. He’s made a ton of terrible moves. That’s depressing.

He made a great trade. I commend him for it.

 

[HyPnOtiK]

WTH did Vegas do to anyone to be taken advantage of like this??

The price you have to pay to sign a guy you can't afford without hurting your team

 

[HockeyWooot]

This trade is a gift. VGK had to move cap to get AP.

I don’t think this significantly changes my view of Benning.

 

[SurferBroChad]

This trade is a gift. VGK had to move cap to get AP.

I don’t think this significantly changes my view of Benning.

Lol they always find a way to not give benning credit. makes it easy to shit on him when he doesnt sign scrubs like stetcher

 

[lawrence]

salary of Toffoli/Stecher would be equivalent to the salary of Schmidt.

well 3.5 million to 4th liner Ferland 3 million to Rouselle and 3 million to Beagle. all 4th line players.

blame benning for these reckless signings.

 

[PuckFather]

Benning haters are still Canucks fans.

This trade was fantastic, and made the Canucks better.

Why would it be depressing?

We’re not “Benning haters” for the hell of it. He’s made a ton of terrible moves. That’s depressing.

He made a great trade. I commend him for it.

Maybe you'e not aware some "Canucks" fans were wishing we lose badly in the playoffs and have Jimbo fired. I meant those "fans".

 

[PhiladelphiaKessel]

The amount of good players given away for peanuts this year is astonishing. We will probably never see anything like this again

 

[Hockey Rush]

It’s been 24 hours and I’m still in shock

He's like the equivalent of J.T. Miller on defense for us. Except he only cost us a 3rd lol.