Confirmed Trade: [VAN/VGK] Nate Schmidt for 2022 3rd round pick - Part II

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  1. lawrence Registered User

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    incase some people were wondering, if they talked to Schmidt about being traded or was he consulted by the Knights management.

    they didn't have too because Vancouver was not on his not to trade list. So the assumption because Van was not on the list, the trade happened, he got a text his buddy Holtby and that was it. He probably got text by the gm after and our gm, welcoming him and so for.
     
  2. GetFocht Indestructible

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    So are we doing a part 3 or is the party over?
     
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    Lol what else does the guy have to do to get your approval.


    Draft a Franchise C- check
    Draft a Franchise D- check
    Draft Elite Winger- check

    Draft Calder Finalist/Winner 3 years in a row- Check

    JT Miller for 20th pick- 71 st pick and AHL goalie- check

    Nate Schmidt for 3rd round pick- check

    Tanner Pearson for Erik Gufbranson - check

    Tyler Motte for Thomas Vanek- check


    The grass isny always greener. If your biggest complaint about Bening is him over-paying for botttom 6 players and free agents well then Canucks are sitting pretty. Every team has over-paid bums but not everyteam has the foundational pieces the Canucks do at the age that the core is.

    Even when Schmidt was interviewed today he said he buzz in the bubble was the young Canucks and the style of hockey they play and their bright future.
     
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  4. MarkusNaslund19 Registered User

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    Then we agree :nod:.

    To the other point, my impression was that you were arguing that being on Vegas negated the fact that he was a number one D because, 'he's only competing with expansion fodder'. But their D was literally good enough that year to almost win the cup. Which basically stops the other argument in its tracks.

    Anyhow, I'm super super stoked on this, and I think all Canucks fans should be.
     
  5. MarkusNaslund19 Registered User

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    Agreed.

    It goes to show the importance of early impressions.

    Like if we had fired Jim Benning, and brought in someone who was young and obvious about being into analytics in 2017, the same people who hate Jim Benning would be all on his dick.

    You have to separate 2014-16 Jim Benning, who was awful. Chased his tail trying to recreate Boston with a roster that wasn't built for it, totally misread the way the wind was blowing in 2016 in two ways. The game was getting faster at an incredible rate, this drummed out a whole bunch of vets, there was massive turnover...months after Benning had overpaid terrible players including Sbisa. If he had waited, like he did now, there were decent vets for pennies on the dollar.

    Everything you referenced, comes from 2017-present. He's been a fantastic GM for the most part since that point. If he was DimJim prior to 2017 (a denigrating nickname I don't really like), then he's been Jet Black Jim since then. And with his shoe polish hair dye job, has come the wisdom to earn that moniker.
     
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    I like the cut of your jib.
    A lot of people on this site act like if we aren't privy to something, it doesn't exist. From what I heard, the Canucks had other balls in the air like Tyson Barrie. But for everyone who was panicked that we hadn't made a move in a flat cap UFA period, I thought it inevitable that superior players would shake loose when the big fish went shooting for the stars.

    Let's not forget, our team as constructed simply isn't good enough, and is really trying to build so that their apex is 2 or 3 years from now when the bad contracts end. So stretching ourself to re-sign all of those free agents would have hamstrung us in mediocrity, and then some of those contracts would have become albatrosses, thus repeating the cycle.

    OEL could have been a fantastic add if they had given him to us for pennies on the dollar, while retaining a bit and taking back a bad contract. That's like Deus ex Machina levels of positive intervention, that's worth focusing on. And if you lose a Troy Stecher in that process, the human side of you grieves for a good man, but as a team trying to build a cup caliber team? You do that all day, everyday.

    Then he didn't get seduced by the dream and give up something stupid like Podkolzin, a 1st, or I would argue, Hoglander. He moved on with some patience and hit an absolute homerun.
     
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    Probably. Next, the Kraken can come and absorb a lot of these contracts.
     
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    Even though I don’t entirely agree with the poster, why should we ignore people whose opinion differs from ours. He offered a reasonable take. I respect him posting an unpopular opinion as a Canucks fan.

    Tanev has been a stud for us for years. I can’t fathom Schmidt being better defensively. Transition=yes. Skating=yes. Offensively=sure. Defensively? Nope. I would like to see him in our lineup and would love to be proven wrong though.

    Tanev got probably more out of his skillset than any D that I’ve watched. He wasn’t very strong, not that fast (average), not big, and a super muffin shot. But has the heart of a lion and insane understanding of the game. I would love to see him become an NHL coach one day.
     
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    Yeah just like Benn, Barzal, Morgan Reilly are coming here.:sarcasm:

    Shea is from metro Vancouver, so no shock he owns a summer place here. (I know you’re joking btw, just too much time on my hands today)
     
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  10. voxel Go Condors!

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    This trade really should be

    Nate Schmidt for 2022 3rd round pick PLUS losing Virtanen or Gaudette for nothing

    Canucks can't sign those two even with Ferland on LITR.
     
  11. Nucks N Canes Registered User

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    Sad that a huge list of bad contracts means drafting well with high picks is enough for you to believe. You would be a huge fan of any oilers gm.

    The fact that Benning has hamstrung this team for two more years and that we will now overpay the RFAs we have is not a positive. We were one of the worst teams in the bubble, us making it that far has really convinced people he has done a good job but the person that got us there is now gone. So with demko and holtby we have to hope for a hart worthy performance. If we draft highly again peeps will still love it. Schmidt has a contract no one wanted to give tanev yet you all now love it for a more offensive D.
     
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    yes they can

    Buying out Sutter and waiving Sven + Eriksson, and replacing them with near league min players makes us cap compliant.
     
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    That's untrue. They can exceed the cap by 10percent in the offseason. They will likely buy out Sutter after the Virtanen arbitration. They can send Eriksson and Baertschi to the AHL. They will have cap room to spare after doing so.
     
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    buying out sutter doesn't help future years, we would lose more players next year then.
     
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    i was only talking about this year lol
     
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    Fake news? Canucks can easily sign those 2 with Ferland on LTIR. Idk why you expect them to make more than 5M combined. According to capfriendly they have just under 2M in cap space already with 13F 6D 2G. Ferly on LTIR frees up 1 roster spot which they would need anyways unless they plan on going 15F 6 D 2G (highly unlikley).

    2M + 3.5M = 5.5M. Gaudette would max cost 2M. Virtanen max would cost 3M. thats 5M at worst. Baertschi is probably waived. Thats now 13F 6D 2G. This leaves just over 1.5M roughly in space. Thats enough for 2 league min contracts bringing them to a 23 man roster
     
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    $2M for Gaudette is super low when guys like Sam Bennett, Chris Tienery, etc. make more than $2.5M and I expect Virtanen to cost $3M to $3.5M... so $6M.

    $1.9M cap + $3.5M Ferland LITR + $1M for burying Sven + $1M for burying Loui/Sutter = $7.5M cap space

    That's 13F 6D 2G... but of course you definitely want to sign a vet or recall a 7th D with $1.5M cap space so... I'm wrong the Canucks do have space but it's super tight.
     
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    6M is too much...unless they plan on offering a super long term deal..Gaudette has no arb rights ...they'll prob come in @ 4-5M total on some short (ish) term deal

    LOL @ the one who says we can't afford those 2 even if we put Ferland on LTIR...smh
     
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    because clearly the poster is a troll
     
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    Andrew mangiapane whom put up similar stats to virtanen just signed a 2yr 2.415M per deal. Gaudette is a RFA with no arbitration rights and scored most of his points on the pp. no way he gets more than 2M
     
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    I argue Mangiapane took a discount. He was overlooked in his draft year and drafted in the 6th round the following year and basically unheralded/unknown. Gaudette won the Hobey Baker.

    I think Gaudette gets $2M for a one year "show me" deal and $2.5M/yr for a two year deal and suspect the Canucks prefer the latter.

    Virtanen is closer to Kassian/Ferland/Nino/JoshAnderson/Greenway... where he gets an extra $500K or $1M for his "grit" so $3M/yr is my minimum.
     
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    Just out of curiosity, who on your favourite team would you trade for Virtanen and Gaudette? I assume you're an oilers fan, would you trade Yamamoto and Bouchard? Or Broberg and Lavoie?
     
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    Even if this is accurate ( which it is not)

    That is still a robbery trade!

    Virtanen, Gaudette, 3rd for a top pairing Dman


    Back to reality, Canucks will be able to sign both Virtanen and Gaudette no proble. Though im not convinced the Canucks have any long term plans to have Virtanen on the team. They did try to trade him to Arizona for OEL.

    What I think is a more accurate statement is the Canucks chose not to or couldnt re-sign Tofolli because they traded for Schmidt. Which again, is a trade off i would make 7 days a week and twice on Sundays.
     
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    Maybe massive just ain't big enough and it's a mega upgrade for sure.
     
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    Yes they can.
     
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