Petry is betetr than Edler and signed LT so yeah, he'd fetch a 1st and more.
Enjoy having Edler until his late 30's and paying him 6/7M a year (most probably his asking price)
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Petry is betetr than Edler and signed LT so yeah, he'd fetch a 1st and more.
Enjoy having Edler until his late 30's and paying him 6/7M a year (most probably his asking price)
CanuckGame39
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Enjoy having Edler?
We will. Bye bye. You act like this Is a bad thing haha. We win either way.
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Yah, Edler @ 37/38 is going to be real good @ 7M a year. W/ his injury hisstory and cap recapture if he retires before the end of his contract, shall be funny!
CanuckGame39
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Hes not getting 7 million.
Until he signs for that much maybe you should stop flapping your lips
Edler will get 5 million MAX for 2 or 3 years.
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Why the heck would he be stupid enough to sign a 2-3year contract that brings him to 35? To please you? He may like VAN, but he's also there to make money. ZERo chance the guy signs for anything under 6 years
And if he'S a solid #2, why would he settle for 2M$ under market value?
Bettman Returnz
Why so serious?
Again, WHY would he signs for 2-3, which will bring him to 35 and greatly decrease his value?
He's not going to settle for 2-3 years, he'll sign for minimum 5-6years
CanuckGame39
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So you think Edler is going to get paid 7 million x6 years?
Ok then. Our Gm isnt Chiarelli or Bergevin.
Edler has zero leverage. Hes openly said he doesnt want to leave. Numerous times. He will take what's offered, which will be around 5 million for 2 or 3 years. If not then he can play somewhere else (which he doesnt want to do)
Bettman Returnz
Why so serious?
Again why would the Canucks sign him for longer? That will bring him to 35 and greatly decrease his value.
I can use your own comment to answer the question! Just because that’s what Edler wants doesn’t mean that’s what Canucks do. If he wants a longer term than he can also go check the market too. No sweat off my back. I’d almost rather someone else sign him longer if that’s the case. We need to worry about our future too. So a high paid older D isn’t always a good choice.
Wouldnt want to lose all those studs in the Vancouver Lineup.
God forbid they lose Gudbranson or Granlund
Sounds like it is a staring contest to see who blinks.
Canucks - They need to hold tight on term or at least not give a NMC for the Seattle ED if there is a 3rd year. The guys who would either have contracts or be in their RFA years are Stecher/Briseboise/Juolevi. Now, Tanev/Hutton or someone else could be added to that mix in the future, which is why it is important for the organization keep their options open and not protect a 35 year old Dman for the ED
Edler - his camp wants that 3rd year and/or the NMC for the Seattle ED. He'd like that peace of mind that which ever team he signs with will be his final NHL stop.
For me, the Canucks have to believe that given how tight teams were to the protection slots for the Vegas ED, with around only 1 year to prepare, that all teams will be much better prepared this time around. Bieksa for Anaheim got a NMC when he signed his extension in the summer of 2015, well before the NHL provided teams with Expansion protection rules. This time around, everyone knew after the Vegas announcement that Seattle was likely to get the next one in 3 years time. So, they have to allocate their spots accordingly.
I can't imagine another NHL team giving Edler a NMC that covers the Seattle expansion draft. If another organization does, don't be as foolish as them.
I'd say pay him a higher cap because you want to do a 2 year deal and assuming all goes well, if he's still a capable Dman at 35, that you'd do another deal then. No promises, but what is the price he's willing to do to remain in Vancouver. What is that 3rd year worth? If his target is a 3 year $15 million deal, if the Canucks countered with a 2 year $12.5 to $13 million deal would he be willing to risk $2 to $2.5 million to both stay in Vancouver and take a chance that he's still capable in 2 years to earn a 3rd year?
This option benefits Vancouver as they have cap space until Pettersson's 2nd NHL contract.
Looking at the Canucks cap situation here's how they shake down:
Signed:
Horvat/Baertschi/Sutter/Pettersson/Roussell/Beagle/Eriksson/Virtanen/Gaudette/Spooner. This is around $32 million without ELC bonuses.
Boeser/Leivo/Goldobin/Motte are RFA - Boeser likely signs for something starting with a $7. Leivo, arbitration so up to $2 million. Other 2, low $1 million and change range. So maybe $12 million. 14 forwards.
Tanev/Gudbranson/Stecher/Biega - $11.5 million. Nothing on the left side is signed. Juolevi and Hughes would come in at ELC rate. Hutton, via arbitration say $3.5 million. Edler, even at $6.5 million puts the left side at $12 million. So, $23.5 million for the D, and that's 8 Dmen, so 22 skaters.
Goalies - Markstrom at $3.6 and Demko needs a new deal, so using Sarros, say $1.5 million or so. Just over $5 million plus another $800K for Luongo's retention. So, put goaltending at $6 million.
That comes to $44 mill for F, $23.5 mill for D, and $6 mill for G. So, $73.5 million for 24 skaters. Cap max is going to be $82-$83 million. Buyout or trade to clear up cap space if they want to try to go after a UFA.
Bettman Returnz
Why so serious?
Well to me the fact that he hasn’t be resigned yet makes it sound as though it’s the term that is holding this up.
Obviously Edler is going to want a long deal and Canucks will want a shorter one..
Obviously Edler is going to want a long deal and Canucks will want a shorter one..
Are there teams that would go that long?
I watched a Chicago game a couple weeks ago and the commentators mentioned that there were only 8 D in the NHL who are older than Keith, who turns 36 this summer. So, this year for Keith would be year 3 for Edler on an extension.
Went through cap friendly to find the 8 who were born prior to July 1983. Talking Hamhuis, Bouwmeester, Seidenberg, Chara, Nik Kronwall, Orpik, Hainsey, Andy Green.
Giordano, Daley born in the same year as Keith, 1983.
NHL teams have to factor in how he will perform at year 3.
Look at that great 2003 draft. Those guys should turn 34 before September and some will turn 35 in the final quarter of the year. How many of those 2003 draftees would you want for another 2 years at a cap hit of $6 million plus? Guys like Backes, Eriksson, Kesler, Vanek not a chance. Can see guys like Carter, Phaneuf, Seabrook slowing down. A group of Bergeron, Burns, Getzlaf, Staal still going well. Everyone ages differently. But, I can see how Edler with his injury is going to age as well.
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Waive Edler if you want to come back Jim will call your agent July 1. Waive and help the team.
0 rush to sign this guy at this point in the season. Focus should be fielding calls from teams who have inquired about him if any then taking those teams to edler to see if he has interest in waiving for any of them. If he does you make a deal.
It is sad being a fan of a team that keeps all these "core" players till they are washed up and retire or go sign elsewhere July 1.
Yes he has a NTC, but we asked a ''core'' guy like Bieksa who played heart and soul to move on. Edler is better than Juice I get that but this team is still missing PIECES before it thinks it can compete for and go far in the playoffs.
Keeping edler, sutter, Tanev etc around to mentor youth or hold the fort is just hog wash. All players in the NHL have been groomed since they were a kid how to be a pro, especially leading up to being drafted and after that going forward.
Losing any of the above 3 would make us a bit worse, but get over it they aren't saving this team or making them elite either...
We have a couple quality pieces to be excited about on our line up, but with the lack of trades or assets management has accumulated in the last few years we aren't as close or have the depth that many Canuck fans seem to think.
Newsflash: Canucks still need multiple pieces before they can compete. The D is a mess, do a complete overhaul and get rid of most of them. We lack any real scoring upfront except from 3 guys and our PP is way to predictable. Time to fire the "retread PP Guru" Newel Brown
0 rush to sign this guy at this point in the season. Focus should be fielding calls from teams who have inquired about him if any then taking those teams to edler to see if he has interest in waiving for any of them. If he does you make a deal.
It is sad being a fan of a team that keeps all these "core" players till they are washed up and retire or go sign elsewhere July 1.
Yes he has a NTC, but we asked a ''core'' guy like Bieksa who played heart and soul to move on. Edler is better than Juice I get that but this team is still missing PIECES before it thinks it can compete for and go far in the playoffs.
Keeping edler, sutter, Tanev etc around to mentor youth or hold the fort is just hog wash. All players in the NHL have been groomed since they were a kid how to be a pro, especially leading up to being drafted and after that going forward.
Losing any of the above 3 would make us a bit worse, but get over it they aren't saving this team or making them elite either...
We have a couple quality pieces to be excited about on our line up, but with the lack of trades or assets management has accumulated in the last few years we aren't as close or have the depth that many Canuck fans seem to think.
Newsflash: Canucks still need multiple pieces before they can compete. The D is a mess, do a complete overhaul and get rid of most of them. We lack any real scoring upfront except from 3 guys and our PP is way to predictable. Time to fire the "retread PP Guru" Newel Brown
Bieksa, upon getting traded with a year left on his contract immediately signed a 2 year NMC deal with Anaheim. There was a benefit to Bieksa himself when he waived. Ditto for Burrows when he waived to go to Ottawa, when everyone on the Canucks board thought he was done, but he got a 2 year deal from Ottawa upon being traded.
That's the tradeoff when you give a NTC to get a lower cap hit. Up to the player to waive it. But, these guys won't be giving teams a long trade list. Likely between 2-5 teams. Kesler asked out and gave Pitt, Chi, Ana. Bieksa we know had SJ and Ana on his list. Garrison was ok going to TB. Sedins didn't want to leave. Hamhuis listed Chi and Dal. Canucks should be asking him to waive. Their D pool isn't that strong, not with all of the short cut moves that Benning has made. But, if he says no, then that's that.
I'm weary of playing the young players in difficult match ups. Clearly Gudbranson and the rest of the guys can't handle it when Edler/Tanev are not in the lineup.
PavelBure10
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Yup agreed, Edler wants a long term deal, but the Canucks want to sign him short term. The Canucks probably asked him to waive his no trade to retrieve some assets in promise to resign him july 1st. Edler probably doesn't want anything other than a long term deal, that's it, thats all.
Agreed. And for Edler, his options are wide open as he's not a I need to win the Cup to complete my career type of guy. If another team is willing to give him year 3 with a NMC, the Canucks should let him walk. They certainly can afford to protect him given what they have now, but you're handcuffing yourself from getting better.
Anaheim has 4 Dmen that need to be protected, as well as 2 good prospects in Larsson and Mahura who would also need to be protected. Can try to work out a deal down the line to make a deal to upgrade the D core for example.
Canadian Canuck
Hughes4Calder
Lmao no he won’t
MINUMUM 5-6 years??? You’re clueless. Stop posting nonsense with no source behind it. Edler gets no more than 4 years. And to answer your question of why he would accept under 5-6 years. Hmmm maybe because no team is stupid enough to offer that much term? Such a stupid take.
He said Petry is better than Edler. He’s a brainwashed Habs fan. It’s like talking to a wall... a dumb wall.
Canuck fans walk that line with Edler where they tell the world how hes a top/top pair dman out one side of their mouth and then want to pay him like weak 2nd pair out the other side.
As for value, after the Caps got stolen from with Jensen, his value had to be way up.
As for value, after the Caps got stolen from with Jensen, his value had to be way up.
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Hughes4Calder
If you think Petry is better than Edler than this discussion is over before it started.
