Player Discussion: Tyler Johnson

[Byrddog]

Johnsons drop in performance coincides with his being moved to wing to make a place for Cirelli. He is not a good winger that we must agree but he is still a good center but Coop is not going to break up that 3rd line unless forced to. Remember who was removed from center when Point blossemed? Well that guy can play wing but Johnson is different. If he centers a 2nd line on most teams he would be a 20 goal 40 point guy again. The problem is the term of his contract, he was projected to be the 2C here until the end of the contract but that changed. And whoever said thet he is going to have to be bought out is probably right. But as soon as that happen you can bet he will be signed somewhere.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Johnsons drop in performance coincides with his being moved to wing to make a place for Cirelli. He is not a good winger that we must agree but he is still a good center but Coop is not going to break up that 3rd line unless forced to. Remember who was removed from center when Point blossemed? Well that guy can play wing but Johnson is different. If he centers a 2nd line on most teams he would be a 20 goal 40 point guy again. The problem is the term of his contract, he was projected to be the 2C here until the end of the contract but that changed. And whoever said thet he is going to have to be bought out is probably right. But as soon as that happen you can bet he will be signed somewhere.

I don't know how many times I have to say this.......
Johnson only plays well with Palat.

 

[Lightning1995]

I don't know how many times I have to say this.......
Johnson only plays well with Palat.

Then flip TJ and Stammer and let’s see

 

[Sky04]

Johnsons drop in performance coincides with his being moved to wing to make a place for Cirelli. He is not a good winger that we must agree but he is still a good center but Coop is not going to break up that 3rd line unless forced to. Remember who was removed from center when Point blossemed? Well that guy can play wing but Johnson is different. If he centers a 2nd line on most teams he would be a 20 goal 40 point guy again. The problem is the term of his contract, he was projected to be the 2C here until the end of the contract but that changed. And whoever said thet he is going to have to be bought out is probably right. But as soon as that happen you can bet he will be signed somewhere.

Johnson was moved to wing because he was struggling at center so they put him next to Point. They did not move him to wing for Cirelli, he was moved there the season before Cirelli got here...

 

[CupsOverCash]

Palat Point Johnson
Killorn Cirelli Stamkos
Goodrow Gourde Coleman
Maroon Joseph Volkov

Wouldn't be a bad lineup. Palat Point and Johnson worked well when we had that record regular season.

 

[DFC]

I don't know how many times I have to say this.......
Johnson only plays well with Palat.

He needs a guy who can create space and make the odd play. He worked well with Kucherov too. But he's terrible playing with north-south shooters.

I don't think Point needs anybody special, especially if he skates like he did last game. I'd like to see us spread our playmakers a little better. Maybe just swap Killorn and Palat to spread the wealth:

Killorn - Point - Stamkos
Palat - Cirelli - Johnson

 

[Byrddog]

Johnson was moved to wing because he was struggling at center so they put him next to Point. They did not move him to wing for Cirelli, he was moved there the season before Cirelli got here...

That is not true. Cirelli's first full season here was 18-19 where he was 3rd line the first part of the season Johnson had 29 goals and 18 assts that year even though he was not centering the 2nd line the last half of the year. In 65 games last year Johnson had 14 goals and 17 asst's and did not play center at all Cirelli has 19 goals and 16 goals in those seasons. Now while Johnson's production at wing suffered a drop his production has not been that much less than Cirelli those two years. Now Cirelli is younger and will be around longer but from a production standpoint these two years was a wash. Now Faceoffs Johnson was 48.6 and 49.0 in those two years Cirelli was 52.8 and 47.5 not all that much different there.
Here is the big difference Johnsons contract but Cirelli contract is just as bad if one considerers what it will take to re sign him after this bridge.

 

[Sky04]

That is not true. Cirelli's first full season here was 18-19 where he was 3rd line the first part of the season Johnson had 29 goals and 18 assts that year even though he was not centering the 2nd line the last half of the year. In 65 games last year Johnson had 14 goals and 17 asst's and did not play center at all Cirelli has 19 goals and 16 goals in those seasons. Now while Johnson's production at wing suffered a drop his production has not been that much less than Cirelli those two years. Now Cirelli is younger and will be around longer but from a production standpoint these two years was a wash. Now Faceoffs Johnson was 48.6 and 49.0 in those two years Cirelli was 52.8 and 47.5 not all that much different there.
Here is the big difference Johnsons contract but Cirelli contract is just as bad if one considerers what it will take to re sign him after this bridge.

Cirelli is much better than Johnson, it's why he plays center. Johnson sucked at center so they moved him to wing, Johnson only had 29 goals playing next to Kuch and Point.

 

[Byrddog]

Cirelli is much better than Johnson, it's why he plays center. Johnson sucked at center so they moved him to wing, Johnson only had 29 goals playing next to Kuch and Point.

And Cirelli will never hit 29 in a season.

 

[Sky04]

And Cirelli will never hit 29 in a season.

He doesn't need to be next to Point and Kucherov to score either, not sure what your point is here. Trying to argue Johnson over Cirelli as a center is just dumb.

 

[Byrddog]

He doesn't need to be next to Point and Kucherov to score either, not sure what your point is here. Trying to argue Johnson over Cirelli as a center is just dumb.

Losing both is even more ignorant and that is the future.

 

[Sky04]

Losing both is even more ignorant and that is the future.

Right... cause you've been spot on this year

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Then flip TJ and Stammer and let’s see

DO it

 

[DFC]

We're trying to inflate TJ's numbers, but the way to do that might be to demote him. Even if he's playing with lesser skill, he has a chance for better chemistry and he'll be playing worse defenders, whom he can still beat once in a while.

Two years ago he and Joseph had a lot of good flashes together, particularly short-handed. Might be able to rekindle something there and have a quality third line.

Anything over 25 points is a successful season at this point for Johnson. 30 would be great.

 

[Steazy Doo]

Still thinking about Johnson hitting the shaft of Khodobins' stick in Game 5 OT to win the cup. Woulda been something if that went in.

 

[LightningStrikes]

FWIW Tyler has as many goals and points as Gourde and as many points as Killer. Obviously the latter two also provide other things like sandpaper, puck retrieval (Gourde) and PKing (Killer).

 

[Sky04]

FWIW Tyler has as many goals and points as Gourde and as many points as Killer. Obviously the latter two also provide other things like sandpaper, puck retrieval (Gourde) and PKing (Killer).

Aside from the points you mentioned already, those guys are versatile players you can slot almost anywhere. Johnson can't carry a line and he has little chemistry with anyone outside Palat and Point. I don't really like Gourde's contract either but the guy can be a force when he's on despite not scoring like he was last night. Killorn when he's on his game is the best of the 3 while Johnson is kinda just there.

All 3 of them aren't giving us much value production wise though:

Gourde 5.16m - 7 points
Johnson 5m - 7 points
Killorn 4.45m - 8points

Coleman 1.8m 7 points
Goodrow 0.9k - 7 points
Joseph 0.737k 8 points
Volkov 0.7k -- 5 points

All 4 of the bottoms guys combined make less than any one of those 3, which is good for us since we're going to need cheap depth for the next 2 years.

 

[The Gongshow]

At least Gourde and Killer are great on the PK, and Gourde provides a lot of grit along with his speed. Johnson....is just kind of a body on the ice...he doesn't even seem motivated anymore (which is understandable). I'd much rather keep Gourde and Killorn for the playoff push.

We seriously need to dump 3 of the 3 this offseason though. Preferably Johnson is one of them

 

[Zwui21]

Just get him tf out of Tampa. I don't even care anymore about the cost, just have some other team have to deal with him.

 

[The Macho King]

With the economy the way it is, and the high unemployment and all that....

It's insulting this dude has the job security he does.

 

[Lightning1995]

He needs to be done in TB. He doesn’t want to be here anymore. Waive him and use the cap room or pay the freight to trade him. It’s over

 

[DistantThunderRep]

You have to think that Johnson isn't thinking about wanting to be in the NHL past this contract? Guy is actively playing himself out of the NHL. He is growing a bad stigma around the league. If he even looked like he gave a shit out there, he could still probably get another few more million after this contract is done, but it doesn't even look like he wants it.

 

[The Macho King]

He used to hustle so much...

He's the laziest player on the team by far now.

 

[T REX]

First line?

Cooper...I ate me a lotta crow for you but that is whack.

 

[Sky04]

The lines are constantly juggled in game so he's not actually "first line", Stamkos spent as much time on Points wing as Johnson did. Johnson was alternating between there and with Coleman/Goodrow. Everyone except the 4thline has been shifting around because they can't get anything done.

He only played 14mins, Stamkos and Point were 21 and 20.