HockeySauce
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Wrong
CHI got a 2nd round pick to swap contracts. That's the value difference. It was literally... in the trade they made.
Wrong
Seth Jones is not a 1D. I wanna poke everyone with a hot cattle prod that says that.
CHI got a 2nd round pick to swap contracts. That's the value difference. It was literally... in the trade they made.
And nearly 2m in cap space...
I'm pretty damn sure you're missing the actual definition of "value" here. It's not meant as "monetary value".
I listen to NHL radio a lot. Not one person of well you know, former players, scouts, talking head or administrators from other teams agrees with you.Seth Jones is a 1D by reputation only, not actual performance.
Quit saying that the Hawks acquired a 1D because they didn't. They still don't have any top pairing defenders. They might have a #2 if Jones bounces back a bit....but until he plays and proves that he's top pairing quality the Hawks are in a worse position than they were Thursday evening.
Jones has to be a bonafide #1 for that trade and contract not to be a disaster. If he's anything less, Bowman just set the Hawks back a decade.
Seth Jones is NOT a 1D and I want to poke people with a cattle prod who say that he is.
Not unless he moves to Florida and he could have moved there anyway.The real winner here is Brent Seabrook. The guy gets to collect that sweet sweet tax free LTIR money.
Offseason or in-season, LTIR is exactly the same. The only cap difference between in-season and offseason is that offseason (irrespective of LTIR) you can exceed the cap by 10%, whereas in-season you cannot exceed the cap.I'm confused. Why would Tampa do this? Contracts on LTIR count towards your salary cap until the opening day, no?
Do you... not understand how LTIR works? With Seabrook, they could have effectively gone over the cap by his 6.8M caphit on LTIR. CHI might have "gained" 1.8M in real cap space, but they lost 6.8M in cap maneuverability. Which is why Tampa still paid us a 2nd round pick to make the deal.
Unusual trade in that both teams gain cap space.
Chicago gains 1.8 m in real cap.
Tampa gains 1.8 m in LTIR space.
Lol. I'm well-aware of how it works. The Seabs deal did not have more "value" to the Hawks than an NHL player. A middle 6, defensively responsible forward, who can play both wing and C, who has also put up over 20 goals 5 times in his career(well 4, but one of those was 19 goals so I'm counting it). The Seabs contract had very little actual value to most teams. It would basically help a team that needs it to meet the cap floor, or help a team who needs that LTIR space to try and move money around to get under the cap. TB needed that, and they paid a 2nd for it. Just because TB was over a barrel, and had to pony up something in return, does not mean that Seabs' contract had more "value"... that's f***ing nonsense.
Hedman
You just keep saying this and it might become true...
Name 32 D better than him.
so you know ur bullsh**tingHedman
Fox
Makar
Heiskanen
Chychrun
Letang
Pietrangelo
Hamilton
Carlson
Josi
Ellis
Sergachev
Provorov
Lindholm
Fowler
D. Toews
Ekblad
Giordano
Burns
Doughty
Rielly
Pulock
McAvoy
Klingberg
Chabot
Slavin
Martinez
Girard
Ekholm
Hedman
Fox
Makar
Heiskanen
Chychrun
Letang
Pietrangelo
Hamilton
Carlson
Josi
Ellis
Sergachev
Provorov
Lindholm
Fowler
D. Toews
Ekblad
Giordano
Burns
Doughty
Rielly
Pulock
McAvoy
Klingberg
Chabot
Slavin
Martinez
Girard
Ekholm
As you've always stated on your own, your general hockey evaluation is f***ing horrible.
Yeah I miscountedLmao. For one, that's 29. For two, I'd argue that maybe half of those are actually better than SJ.
As you've always stated on your own, your player evaluation is f***ing horrible.
Yeah I miscounted
Add Petry, Weegar and Pesce to the list.
Now you have 32.
I could name more.
Tampa plays in a completely different conference, "helping them out if their cap crunch" is about as irrelevant as it gets. I swear some people around here are more concerned with sticking it to other teams that arent relevant to the hawks than the hawks actually being a better team. Im not a fan of the overall route the hawks chose to go, but once the jones deal was done, things like this seemed inevitable so we should be judging all the moves based on trying to compete right now.I don't mind having Johnson on the team, he's still a decent player.
Is he worth his contract? Not really. Maybe 4 years ago.
I'm not a huge fan of helping Tampa out of their cap crunch either.
I started looking around and I think I counted 50 D that I'd take over Jones.And you'd be wrong, just like half your list.
I started looking around and I think I counted 50 D that I'd take over Jones.