Proposal: TVR for Tyler Johnson

[DFC]

TVR isn’t *that* much worse than Faulk imo. I would do Johnson for Faulk just it has worse cap implications and canes might not do it

There's just no reason to trade Johnson to save money. At least not this year. Next year it might become necessary. For this year, the only reason to trade him is if we can address a legit team-need. And we don't have a whole lot of those. At least none that trading Johnson would deal with.

 

[DFC]

If they wanted a cheap RHD they could have kept Dotchin instead of trading Johnson.

Dotchin wouldn't have made this year's team. We actually do have some cheap RHD options. This proposal is just flawed.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Another quality Dom thread. Everyone is telling you, that you are wrong. Our fanbase, fans of other teams, hell even the fans of the team that you are trying to trade with is telling you that you are wrong. But nope...you're right, collectively the whole trade boards and all of HF is in the wrong here. And you magically see something that no other fan sees. Good on you Dom, you are well on your way to be a GM or Scout in the NHL.

 

[tarheelhockey]

TVR's obviously not the guy to get it done, but with Rask out of the lineup for months Johnson seems like a player Carolina would try to get their hands on. There might be a trade to be made here.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

LOL, did the OP think TVR is an acronym for someone NOT named Trevor Van Riemsdyk and is a lot better at hockey?

Cause thats the only way this makes sense for Tyler Johnson

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

LOL, did the OP think TVR is an acronym for someone NOT named Trevor Van Riemsdyk and is a lot better at hockey?

Cause thats the only way this makes sense for Tyler Johnson

Possibly some sort of shorthand for Tavares? Maybe he just got the teams mixed up.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

TVR's obviously not the guy to get it done, but with Rask out of the lineup for months Johnson seems like a player Carolina would try to get their hands on. There might be a trade to be made here.

I’d take either of TVR or Faulk for him, Faulk is tougher cap wise for us but is the better player

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Johnson’s possession numbers weren’t bad raw (only relative) and his deployment wasn’t necessarily easy though he wasn’t playing massively tough minutes either. He’s not a good playmaker though which is tough. So we have a player who is below average defensively and as a playmaker, not the kind of guy I want as a 2c and not an elite 3c though a rather good one. I do like his ability to step it up in the playoffs and to fit well in lines with creative offensive talents.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

TVR's obviously not the guy to get it done, but with Rask out of the lineup for months Johnson seems like a player Carolina would try to get their hands on. There might be a trade to be made here.

I find it hard to believe that Johnson would waive his NTC to go from a cup contender to the Canes. Stranger things have happened I guess as I didn't think Skinner would go to Buffalo either. Although that's going from one bad team to another and going closer to home and only for 1 year.

 

[The S5]

Kind of off topic, but let's keep in mind when discussing these players that they are all light years better than all of HF posters, so the "can't play hockey" stupidity should stop.

 

[AndreRoy]

I find it hard to believe that Johnson would waive his NTC to go from a cup contender to the Canes. Stranger things have happened I guess as I didn't think Skinner would go to Buffalo either. Although that's going from one bad team to another and going closer to home and only for 1 year.

He wouldn’t, nor should we ask him to. Players sign these deals in good faith with the expectation that they will be honored. They often leave money on the table in exchange for the security of knowing that they will be able to play out their contract with the team and in the city that they like.

That’s not to say that players don’t choose to waive their NTCs, or that they shouldn’t be asked to do so if the situation is reasonable. If you’re talking about somebody whose play has declined in a big way and who is making a lot more money than he’s worth (like Callahan, for instance), then it’s only natural that a team might inquire as to whether he’d be open to a move. Or if it’s somebody who has been pushed to a lower line and might be interested in an opportunity for a bigger role on another team (like Killorn.) Or a player on a rebuilding team who might like a shot with a contender, or one who has developed some bad blood with his current organization and might want a change of scene. All of these would be reasonable situations in which to ask a player if he would be willing to waive.

But when you’re talking about a guy who is still a top six forward on a reasonable deal, loves the team he’s on, and is playing on a contender, there is absolutely no reason to think he would be remotely interested in leaving and no legitimate cause for the team to ask him to do so. In this case the team is simply saying that the NTC they gave out really didn’t mean anything, and doing so especially to a player who has meant as much to his team as Johnson has does not paint the organization in a good light. The player has lived up to his end of the deal and has performed at the level expected of him, so trying to force him into a trade that holds absolutely no benefit to him shows a complete lack of loyalty and good faith with regard to the agreement they signed with him. And other players take note of that sort of thing.

 

[DFC]

Johnson’s possession numbers weren’t bad raw (only relative) and his deployment wasn’t necessarily easy though he wasn’t playing massively tough minutes either. He’s not a good playmaker though which is tough. So we have a player who is below average defensively and as a playmaker, not the kind of guy I want as a 2c and not an elite 3c though a rather good one. I do like his ability to step it up in the playoffs and to fit well in lines with creative offensive talents.

I don't get how you can think Johnson is below average in all these areas and somehow think TVR is a good NHL talent.

Johnson produces. When he's on his game, he's pretty good defensively, but there are definite lapses. But that happens with players of his caliber. The grass is not always greener on the other side.

Put Johnson on a team where he's getting premium PP minutes and he's probably still putting up 60+ points a lot of the time. He won't get that in TB, because we have a logjam of forward talent. But that doesn't mean you give the guy away to some other team.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

I don't get how you can think Johnson is below average in all these areas and somehow think TVR is a good NHL talent.

Johnson produces. When he's on his game, he's pretty good defensively, but there are definite lapses. But that happens with players of his caliber. The grass is not always greener on the other side.

Put Johnson on a team where he's getting premium PP minutes and he's probably still putting up 60+ points a lot of the time. He won't get that in TB, because we have a logjam of forward talent. But that doesn't mean you give the guy away to some other team.

I don’t see it with a guy who has shown very limited playmaking ability yet can’t hit 15 5v5 goals

 

[DFC]

I don’t see it with a guy who has shown very limited playmaking ability yet can’t hit 15 5v5 goals

Steven Stamkos had 8 5v5 goals last year. Johnson's 15 ES goals were 4th best on the team (and two of his goals were short-handed). 20 ES assists were 6th best, showing he's a reasonable playmaker. His 35 ES points were 6th best. There's no way to shake it that this is not a valuable player to us.

Johnson's production is pretty much in line with his contract. He's a solid second liner on most teams. A tweener for us, because we're stacked up front.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Steven Stamkos had 8 5v5 goals last year. Johnson's 15 ES goals were 4th best on the team (and two of his goals were short-handed). 20 ES assists were 6th best, showing he's a reasonable playmaker. His 35 ES points were 6th best. There's no way to shake it that this is not a valuable player to us.

Johnson's production is pretty much in line with his contract. He's a solid second liner on most teams. A tweener for us, because we're stacked up front.

According to Natural Stat Trick, Stamkos had 12 goals and 51 points 5v5 (compared to 14 goals, 30 points 5v5 for Johnson). I'm not disputing your point though, just wondering where the 8 came from.

 

[Starat327]

So the OP calls TVR a #3, then tells us that Tyler Johnson is a 50 Point center with defensive deficiencies.

Lets pretend for a second that these are both accurate statements. Why would Carolina give that up, exactly?

 

[VoluntaryDom]

So the OP calls TVR a #3, then tells us that Tyler Johnson is a 50 Point center with defensive deficiencies.

Lets pretend for a second that these are both accurate statements. Why would Carolina give that up, exactly?

It’s pretty fair as a player for player swap, regardless of needs and cap Imo

 

[DistantThunderRep]

It’s pretty fair as a player for player swap, regardless of needs and cap Imo

You are ridiculous. So disassociated from anything relatively reasonable. Stop being a stubborn brat and realize you are wrong. Not a single person thinks you are right, not one, it is one of the few times in the history of HFBoards where the unequivocal answer is so united between every teams fanbase. But here you are digging your heels in the sand saying Trevor f***ing Van Riemsdyk is a #3 defenseman and removing Johnson for him makes us better. Seriously take the "L" you are wrong, your idea is terrible, and stop being such a stubborn kid about it.

Edit: You have had some good points and some good ideas, but those are very few and far between these days.

 

[DFC]

According to Natural Stat Trick, Stamkos had 12 goals and 51 points 5v5 (compared to 14 goals, 30 points 5v5 for Johnson). I'm not disputing your point though, just wondering where the 8 came from.

You're right, I had Stamkos's number wrong. Apologies. Quanthockey has Johnson listed with 15-20-35 at ES.

 

[DFC]

It’s pretty fair as a player for player swap, regardless of needs and cap Imo

How did you not learn from the Dotchin thing? When every single poster says you're wrong, you're probably wrong.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Your right, I had Stamkos's number wrong. Apologies. Quanthockey has Johnson listed with 15.

Maybe it's the difference between ES and 5v5? Natural Stat Trick shows 15 ES goals and 14 5v5 goals, so maybe one of them was 4v4 or 3v3. Just speculating but seems reasonable.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I would do this trade as Tampa. What do other Tampa fans / canes fans think?

Value wise, this is significantly worse than Hall for Larsson.

 

[Sky04]

hahahahahaahahahaha classic dom post.

 

[DFC]

Maybe it's the difference between ES and 5v5? Natural Stat Trick shows 15 ES goals and 14 5v5 goals, so maybe one of them was 4v4 or 3v3. Just speculating but seems reasonable.

Very likely. Quanthockey lists it as 15 ES goals. No mention of 4v4 etc. For the record though, I just straight up had the Stamkos stat wrong. He's listed at 12.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

TVR's obviously not the guy to get it done, but with Rask out of the lineup for months Johnson seems like a player Carolina would try to get their hands on. There might be a trade to be made here.

Just to play along with the OP.

TVR
Buffalo 2nd 2019
Roy

For

Johnson
Jan