Proposal: TVR for Tyler Johnson

[VoluntaryDom]

Value wise, this is significantly worse than Hall for Larsson.

How so?
TVR>Larsson
Johnson<<<<<<Hall

 

[DistantThunderRep]

How so?
TVR>Larsson
Johnson<<<<<<Hall

Can we ban or /thread for trolling now?

 

[tarheelhockey]

Just to play along with the OP.

TVR
Buffalo 2nd 2019
Roy

For

Johnson
Jan

I’d do it.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Can we ban or /thread for trolling now?

I’m literally not trolling, TVR has been a top tier possession dman for 2 straight seasons now and would be a smart add by Tampa Bay.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Who’s Jan @Voodoo Glow Skulls

 

[DistantThunderRep]

I’m literally not trolling, TVR has been a top tier possession dman for 2 straight seasons now and would be a smart add by Tampa Bay.

His possession numbers playing on the third pairing...cool...stop talking. You are making us all look bad.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

His possession numbers playing on the third pairing...cool...stop talking. You are making us all look bad.

He destroyed his third pairing ice time like a man against boys. And at the very least he’s a better Hedman partner than dotchin and Girardi since he doesn’t have to be completely babysat and isn’t a slowpoke. And it alleviates the Johnson cap issue and removes the only below average defensive player from our top-9.

 

[Spazkat]

How so?
TVR>Larsson
Johnson<<<<<<Hall

I'm trying to convince myself that you just forgot the sarcam emoji and aren't actually that bad at player valuation. Larsson might not have been worth Hall but he's generally accepted to be a good #2. TVR is .... not


Quote all the possession stats you want but good stats in your current spot doesn't usually translate to the same stats in an expanded role.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

He destroyed his third pairing ice time like a man against boys. And at the very least he’s a better Hedman partner than dotchin and Girardi since he doesn’t have to be completely babysat and isn’t a slowpoke. And it alleviates the Johnson cap issue and removes the only below average defensive player from our top-9.

There is no proof TVR will be better with increased ice time, Johnson produces exactly like he is supposed to. He isn't supposed to be our defensive forward, he is supposed to put up 40-50 points a season, and show up in the playoffs. You are just digging you heels in the sand because your feelings are hurt that not a single person on this planet agrees with your asinine assumption and deduction that TVR is a #3 defensemen in the NHL. I don't ever block anyone on HF, getting different points of view are great, but yours are straight out idiotic so, congrats on being the first ban on my account.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

I'm trying to convince myself that you just forgot the sarcam emoji and aren't actually that bad at player valuation. Larsson might not have been worth Hall but he's generally accepted to be a good #2. TVR is .... not


Quote all the possession stats you want but good stats in your current spot doesn't usually translate to the same stats in an expanded role.

Larsson had bloated qot as well last season, seemingly played a lot wth McDavid

 

[VoluntaryDom]

There is no proof TVR will be better with increased ice time, Johnson produces exactly like he is supposed to. He isn't supposed to be our defensive forward, he is supposed to put up 40-50 points a season, and show up in the playoffs. You are just digging you heels in the sand because your feelings are hurt that not a single person on this planet agrees with your asinine assumption and deduction that TVR is a #3 defensemen in the NHL. I don't ever block anyone on HF, getting different points of view are great, but yours are straight out idiotic so, congrats on being the first ban on my account.

Very mature, blocking someone for a dissenting opinion

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Yeah no way larsson’s 2.7 xGF/60 isn’t a product of McDavid, even Larson’s biggest fans would not call him great offensively

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Who’s Jan @Voodoo Glow Skulls

Dennis Yan. Didn't see the auto, I'm usually pretty good...I feel shame.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

TVR:

2016-17 in Chicago:

52.52% xGF%, +4.78 rel

2017-18 in Carolina:

54.78%, +3.39

This is a player who has had two straight seasons as a very good possession player in minutes that weren’t really very sheltered.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Dennis Yan. Didn't see the auto, I'm usually pretty good...I feel shame.

Np lol

 

[Rschmitz]

How so?
TVR>Larsson
Johnson<<<<<<Hall

 

[God King Fudge]

Advanced stats are nice, but sometimes you need to actually watch the player and but just look at a spreadsheet.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Advanced stats are nice, but sometimes you need to actually watch the player and but just look at a spreadsheet.

Actually watching, Johnson looks useless a significant portion of the time when he’s not scoring. And TVR is a steady presence who makes few mistakes and is always a net positive on the ice. Of course, when Johnson is scoring he’s great.

 

[Sky04]

Advanced stats are nice, but sometimes you need to actually watch the player and but just look at a spreadsheet.

This kid just reads advanced stats raw without applying any context, I mean I'd give him a break considering he just found out what a spreadsheet what last year but the guy keeps spewing nonsense. To think he couldnt get any worse.

 

[Sky04]

Johnson is so small and so over paid and so injury prone.

Tell me leafs fan, what is the going rate for a 50 point center that had 42 points in 47 playoff games before he signed his contract? C'mon back up that statement, how is he "so overpaid" and by how much?

 

[Siludin]

Weirdest trade thread ever.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Tell me leafs fan, what is the going rate for a 50 point center that had 42 points in 47 playoff games before he signed his contract? C'mon back up that statement, how is he "so overpaid" and by how much?

What he once was isn't what he is now.

 

[puckIuck]

I thought Johnson was going to be the next st louis in 2015 but it turned out that wasn't the case. bad trade for carolina

 

[VoluntaryDom]

This kid just reads advanced stats raw without applying any context, I mean I'd give him a break considering he just found out what a spreadsheet what last year but the guy keeps spewing nonsense. To think he couldnt get any worse.

I’m applying the context of tyjos role which is why his defense imo isn’t as bad as the numbers make it look. Still the worst defensive forwards in our top 9 though, we have strong defensive forwards in it

 

[Rschmitz]

I’m applying the context of tyjos role which is why his defense imo isn’t as bad as the numbers make it look. Still the worst defensive forwards in our top 9 though, we have strong defensive forwards in it

TJ isn't worse than Stamkos or Kucherov