I have a similar list; my favourites are Basu, Engels, Melnick, Marc Dumont, and I'd add Pat Hickey. On the up and comers, I'd add Joey Alfieri as he can do just about anything, soccer, football, hockey, and he has gigs with The Athletic and NBC Sports.
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sholi2000
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I will never be a Marc Dumont fan. I absolutely hate Analytics personalities. Starting a hockey conversation with "from a statistic point of view" well I just laugh. "Primary Assist" never in my life have I used Primary Assist. Here is something I made after hearing "Primary Assist" way too much last week.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but:
1) Marc Dumont isn't really an analytics personality.
2) Statistical point of view has always had a place in hockey (and sports) discourse and has real value (compared to the braying of people that speak exclusively in platitudes and incorrect comparisons).
3) Hockey is an outlier in that it actually counts secondary assists. Of all the ways to be critical of analytics, the idea that they shouldn't be counting less is weird. Soccer doesn't do it. Basketball doesn't do it. Lacrosse doesn't do it. And there isn't a real reason why a primary assist and a secondary assist are worth the same.
Stats should always be challenged and refined. Otherwise, what's the point of using them. Just stick to wins and losses.
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sholi2000
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So all his comments are based on his years of playing and coaching experience? I did not know that. You never hear him talk like a player or coach. Interesting. I never saw him like that.
I don't listen to him, or read his work at the Athletic. Not my type of hockey guy. I am sure he has a huge following somewhere. Maybe we can get him out on the ice sometime. I've always wanted to bring my gear to Mtl to play some shinny.
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So? Mitch Melnick's and Arpon Basu's (who you seem to like) comments aren't based on years playing and coaching experience either.
I don't listen to him, or read his work at the Athletic. Not my type of hockey guy. I am sure he has a huge following somewhere. Maybe we can get him out on the ice sometime. I've always wanted to bring my
gear to Mtl to play some shinny.
I don't like the guy I never listen to or read. Flawless logic.
So all his comments are based on his years of playing and coaching experience? I did not know that. You never hear him talk like a player or coach. Interesting. I never saw him like that.
I don't listen to him, or read his work at the Athletic. Not my type of hockey guy. I am sure he has a huge following somewhere. Maybe we can get him out on the ice sometime. I've always wanted to bring my gear to Mtl to play some shinny.
I imagine there's quite a few hockey personalities that don't have a serious history in the sport before becoming a pundit. Everyone slobbers all over mckenzie's dick when he's really just a glorified blackberry.
sholi2000
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I'm guessing you are more into arguing than discussing but I'll see if I can clear up my point of view even though my entire comment is about Marc and not the people you mention.
Mitch is an on air sports/music personality, I enjoy listening to his show. It has nothing to do with hockey.
Arpon is a sports writer. He writes about information he receives directly from the source. I enjoy that.
I do not enjoy Marc Dumont. I quite clear as to why.
sholi2000
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Bob is a hockey guy through and through and that has nothing to do with why I don't listen to Dumont.
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Not really. Arpon has many articles with analysis that is far less in depth than Dumont's. Dumont writes about information he receives from the source too.
To add, invalidating someone's analysis because they never played professionally is strange. That invalidates a lot of good analysts and some of the greatest GMs of all time.
If you were talking about someone like Berkshire, I could understand (because he gets preachy and critical in his writing). But Dumont isn't that. And I really don't see how your criticsms of Dumont don't apply to Basu or Melnick, who both do analysis too. There simply aren't enough info dumps for them to only to stories from Sources.
Just follow someone like John Lu if you want plain info from a reporter.
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Melnick should stick to trying to be a music man. Maybe go to chom.
And yeah Dumont talks analytics(not my thing) because Mckenna is a big analytics dweeb.
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So I listened to the morning show for about 30 mins on my drive in this morning. Thanks to the genius host I now know that
1) the Habs beat Pens and caps in the playoffs in 2012 (pretty impressive since we finished dead last in the conference in 2012) and
2) their contest was members of the 92-93 Habs and no one bothered to have a list in front of them. Didn't know if the answers callers were giving were right or wrong.
3) On the bright side I know all about the guy who got arrested in Florida for setting a fire in a Mcdonalds bathroom with $0.69 of gasoline. Then again with Mckenna's level of accuracy it was probably $0.79
Now I remember why I don't listen anymore in the morning.
1) the Habs beat Pens and caps in the playoffs in 2012 (pretty impressive since we finished dead last in the conference in 2012) and
2) their contest was members of the 92-93 Habs and no one bothered to have a list in front of them. Didn't know if the answers callers were giving were right or wrong.
3) On the bright side I know all about the guy who got arrested in Florida for setting a fire in a Mcdonalds bathroom with $0.69 of gasoline. Then again with Mckenna's level of accuracy it was probably $0.79
Now I remember why I don't listen anymore in the morning.
Check out Dumont's piece in the Athletic this morning; like most of his articles, no analytics. He does mention how many games a couple of players have played in their careers, though.
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Don`t get the Florida stuff.
Plenty of other sports to discuss including amateur (ie. CHL)
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It's because there's consistently a ridiculous story about Florida. It's their go-to comedy bit.
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Hearing Dennis Bernstein on 690 today as a co-host, reminds me of how refreshing it is to have a different perspective. Simon is a doofus who mangles the same points over and over, so anyone new sounds palatable.
Best cure for radio doldrums -- have broadcasters from other cities join the station for a month and then continue with a new guy every month, while 690 ships out one of their amateurs to do the same elsewhere.
Best cure for radio doldrums -- have broadcasters from other cities join the station for a month and then continue with a new guy every month, while 690 ships out one of their amateurs to do the same elsewhere.
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It's actually entertaining and it only takes a few minutes. I like how they use that Will Smith song to open the bit, and I can't stand Will Smith, lol:
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I don't listen to Marinaro's show nearly as much as I did at one time but I did turn it on this morning while he was talking to Stephan Lebeau. I didn't get the start of the interview but what I did catch was a very good listen.
Lebeau said that Gretzky was his idol and he had 2 cats at that time and he had them named Wayne and Janet.
He said he changed his cats names though before playing the Kings and after winning the cup he said they partied for a week and then they had a party at Roy's house. It was good listen and brought back memories from that last Habs cup victory.
Here's the audio:
https://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/lebeau-nothing-is-going-to-stop-us-now-1.1189793
Lebeau said that Gretzky was his idol and he had 2 cats at that time and he had them named Wayne and Janet.
He said he changed his cats names though before playing the Kings and after winning the cup he said they partied for a week and then they had a party at Roy's house. It was good listen and brought back memories from that last Habs cup victory.Here's the audio:
https://www.tsn.ca/radio/montreal-690/lebeau-nothing-is-going-to-stop-us-now-1.1189793
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Lebeau said that Gretzky was his idol and he had 2 cats at that time and he had them named Wayne and Janet.
Animal abuse!
Not unlike what happens on this forum, but with a human being:
"I said Coconuts."
"No, it's KK."
"But, they call him Yeppu in Finland!"
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Listening to Odelein, I hadn't realized his brother Selmar was a first round pick of the Oilers in 1984.
Joey Elias recounting an anecdote about Odelein, about how the latter once told him what it means to him when a young fan wanted a photo taken with him: "never forget you were once that young fan." How easily so many pro players forget.
Joey Elias recounting an anecdote about Odelein, about how the latter once told him what it means to him when a young fan wanted a photo taken with him: "never forget you were once that young fan." How easily so many pro players forget.
Animal abuse!
Not unlike what happens on this forum, but with a human being:
"I said Coconuts."
"No, it's KK."
"But, they call him Yeppu in Finland!"
Does that make his full name Yeppu KK Coconuts?
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