Mike Mike Caron
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The only good thing about Galchenyuk is that he got us Domi.
Yeah, I pretty much anybody would take :I dont think he would be on anyones top 5 if we started a redraft thread.
Galchenyuk is probably barely still in the top 15 in a redraft at this point, let alone the top 5. In no particular order Forsberg, Trouba, Parayko, Rielly, Lindholm, Teravainen, Slavin, and Hertl are clearly ahead, and you could make arguments for Gostisbehere and Dumba, and even Lindell for that matter. If you include goalies Vasilevskiy, Hellebuyck, Murray, and Andersen all easily go before him too.Galchenyuk is 2nd for total points in his draft and is top 5 minimum in most re-drafts.
It was a weak draft all around.
Come on man, that is just false. At least try to be objective.The only reason Galchenyuk was ranked 5th was because of his leg injury.
Go look at the re-drafts.
Go look at the draft itself, there was almost nothing passed the first round, nothing to 'wiff' at.
Timmins has had some bad drafts, but faulting him for 2012 is just ridiculous. Most here were extatic about the pick.
Back then we had Subban and Markov. Trouba and Dumba were not seen as sure picks, no more than Galcheyuk.
I had Chucky, Forsberg and TT as my top 3 for our pick.
Galchenyuk is probably barely still in the top 15 in a redraft at this point, let alone the top 5. In no particular order Forsberg, Trouba, Parayko, Rielly, Lindholm, Teravainen, Slavin, and Hertl are clearly ahead, and you could make arguments for Gostisbehere and Dumba, and even Lindell for that matter. If you include goalies Vasilevskiy, Hellebuyck, Murray, and Andersen all easily go before him too.
Yeah, I pretty much anybody would take :
Forsberg
Hertl
Rielly
Teravainen
Gotisbehere/Trouba/Lindholm/Dumba
Before Galchenyuk, but that's because they all had a good season in comparison.
I like Juulsen too, I think when healthy, he will be a solid #3-4 which is very good for a late 20s pick.Not going to lie... Trevor Timmins has been amazing in the first round recently.
2016 - Sergachev (9th)
2017 - Poehling (25th)
2018 - Kotkaniemi (3rd)
2019 - Caufield (15th)
Well bud, he happens to bat worse than most of the league except for his one good year. The truth is only an accusation to frauds and people who believe them.
You think teams are reading The Hockey Writers like you and trying to 'go against the grain' for their picks? C'mon now. They have their own lists and they aren't all supposed to look the exact same and they are projecting, not just ranking players. It isn't a science.Come on man, that is just false. At least try to be objective.
Tierney
Severson
Khaira
Pelech
Vesey
Lindell
Gostisbehere
Parayko
M. Murray
F. Andersen
Gustafsson
J. Anderson
Athanasiou
Slavin
Hellebuyck
Hutton
Kerfoot
C. Miller
C. Brown
All picked outside the first round. There was talent available, and other teams found it. Timmins did not.
Also, there was a lot of hype around Dumba, Reilly, and even Trouba in the year leading up to the draft, many had the first two rated higher than AG. It wasn't like they were 'surprises' that nobody expected to be good. And yes, Galchenyuk was rated lower due to the knee injury, and rightly so because he ended up being slow as molasses, probably due to that injury. The concerns were justified.
The AG pick was Timmins yet again trying to go against the grain to reach for the 'gem'. He has done this time and again, and with 1 or 2 exceptions in 17 drafts, it doesn't work (for him).
According to the draft history since he took over.According to what measure?
There is a clear pattern to what Timmins does. He likes to reach. And he is almost never successful at it. The reason why he does it is irrelevant.You think teams are reading The Hockey Writers like you and trying to 'go against the grain' for their picks? C'mon now. They have their own lists and they aren't all supposed to look the exact same and they are projecting, not just ranking players. It isn't a science.
I can see you are in pain about the Galchenyuk pick but remember that the Habs DESPERATELY needed a centre at that time and they were really between him and Forsberg. I think with less family influence and Mtl night life, Galch would have lived up to his potential. Still not a bad pick.
According to the draft history since he took over.
In his presser, Timmins basically admitted he drafted for need, so he did actually specifically draft LH defensemen after the 1st.
For Struble, I can understand the pick with the skills he has.
But, how many good drafting teams do this ? Anyone here agree with it ?
HFboards - evaluate player based on what he has done up to date and reading a bunch of pseudo-draft gurus and very limited viewing
Timmins & Management - evaluate/see/meet players for 2-3 years and project 4-5 years later using data supported by scientific and psychological profiling.
As Charley Brown would say - good grief
Timmins and management: an almost decade long drought.
Prospectsfanatic: outperforming them through a draft software.
Hey, let's apply this to anything: don't ever criticize any management move. They know better. Like Chiarelli for example.
I just heard Timmins refer to Struble as an "alpha male" - taken from how Churla describes him. Thats some precious scouting gem there.
I am not protecting Timmins - just pointing out how absurd it is to judge a pick 2 days after. You need at least a couple of years to let the dust settle.
There is a clear pattern to what Timmins does. He likes to reach. And he is almost never successful at it. The reason why he does it is irrelevant.
Regarding Galchenyuk, family influence and nightlife have nothing to due with him being as dumb as a bag of rocks, buttery soft, poor defensively, slow, and lazy. There is a substantial argument for him being a bad pick.
There's most definitely a pattern.There is a clear pattern to what Timmins does. He likes to reach. And he is almost never successful at it. The reason why he does it is irrelevant.
HFboards - evaluate player based on what he has done up to date and reading a bunch of pseudo-draft gurus and very limited viewing
Timmins & Management - evaluate/see/meet players for 2-3 years and project 4-5 years later using data supported by scientific and psychological profiling.
As Charley Brown would say - good grief
We had 16 years to judge his work..... and his thinking.
His batting average is low.
Just curious, His batting average is low compared to who? What made you come to that decision?