Travis Sanheim Discussion Thread Part Two

[deadhead]

Sanheim is faster than Ghost, but not as agile or quick. And he's not as good a passer, like TK, he's better on the move than in a "half court" set.

Sanheim is more offensively gifted than Provorov, but lacks his physicality and defensive instincts. Provorov is also a year younger and has been carrying a much bigger load for years.

 

[mja]

Sanheim isn't a better skater than Ghost, he's not faster and less explosive.

More than ever, I'm convinced that this board is a portal connecting two parallel universes and that we're not all watching the same team. There's simply no other explanation for such a horrendously bad take.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Sanheim definitely has more speed than Ghost now, but Ghost remains one of the more agile players in the league.

 

[mja]

Sanheim definitely has more speed than Ghost now, but Ghost remains one of the more agile players in the league.

Agility is Ghost's superpower, but Sanheim's a better skater in pretty much every other sense, and his own agility is also damned good, particularly for a guy his size.

 

[LastWordArmy]

A look at why he should be given more responsibility

Travis Sanheim Has Earned More Responsibility With Philadelphia Flyers - Last Word on Hockey

 

[DancingPanther]

A look at why he should be given more responsibility

Travis Sanheim Has Earned More Responsibility With Philadelphia Flyers - Last Word on Hockey

That's great and all but he needs to be a battler. Only one way to learn how to battle: playing half as much as you deserve to

 

[Rebels57]

More than ever, I'm convinced that this board is a portal connecting two parallel universes and that we're not all watching the same team. There's simply no other explanation for such a horrendously bad take.

All he has to do is watch Ghost try to catch Wheeler in that Jets game. Sanheim is cleary faster. Smoother stride and longer legs. He chews up ice easily.

His speed is fine though, especially WITH the puck, but he lost a bit of explosiveness when he hurt his knee. I also think his stride isn't ideal for generating the most speed possible for someone his size. It reminds me of my stride, which isn't great lol.

 

[Rebels57]

That's great and all but he needs to be a battler. Only one way to learn how to battle: playing half as much as you deserve to

I'd like to see him play more of a heavy, grinding type game.

:heel turn then jumps off bridge:

 

[deadhead]

Sanheim will be limited with any coach for now.

He'll play more minutes, but if he's not PP1, he'll only get 1 to 1.5 PP minutes, he's not going to be the first pair on the PK until he gets stronger, so another 1 minute, and other than Provorov, all the D-men play 15-16 minutes at ES.

So his ceiling is probably 18 minutes or so a night even under a new coach.
To get over 20, he would have to be PP1 and PK, that would be 4+ ST minutes a night.

 

[Appleyard]

 

[Beef Invictus]

Sanheim will be limited with any coach for now.

He'll play more minutes, but if he's not PP1, he'll only get 1 to 1.5 PP minutes, he's not going to be the first pair on the PK until he gets stronger, so another 1 minute, and other than Provorov, all the D-men play 15-16 minutes at ES.

So his ceiling is probably 18 minutes or so a night even under a new coach.
To get over 20, he would have to be PP1 and PK, that would be 4+ ST minutes a night.

Are you trying to pretend that Hakstol's usage of the roster is its ideal usage?

It's hilarious that you're talking about PP1. Your boy won't even put him on PP2 despite that being a clearly good idea, and it being a good idea all year. Let's start with the very obvious move of putting him on the second unit at least. Why you ignore that option is beyond me. Oh right, your need to pretend Hakstol has no choice.

 

[deadhead]

No, I'm doing basic arithmetic, something that might be over your head.
If Provorov is the first pair, D-man, then Sanheim is at best second pair.
If Ghost is PP1, then Sanheim is at best PP2.
If Provorov is 1st pair PK, then Sanheim is at best PK2.

Go to the corner and figure it out.

 

[wankstifier]

Sanheim’s the anti-Hak defenseman and he won’t see appropriate ice time until a coaching change is made.

Hakstol’s wet dream is 6 Shea Webers cleaning up around the crease and blasting point shots all day in the offensive zone. He doesn’t see the utility in defensemen who can lead the rush and create space for chances closer to the net.

 

[Striiker]

Sanheim's no Hagg, that's for sure.

 

[Beef Invictus]

No, I'm doing basic arithmetic, something that might be over your head.
If Provorov is the first pair, D-man, then Sanheim is at best second pair.
If Ghost is PP1, then Sanheim is at best PP2.
If Provorov is 1st pair PK, then Sanheim is at best PK2.

Go to the corner and figure it out.

Where does playing MacDonald for 20 minutes factor into your cherry picked math? That's a ton of time that should be going to Sanheim. Their roles should be reversed, and doing so would be immediately beneficial to the entire team.

Gee I wonder why you left that out?

 

[FlyOrange]

Sanheim might be one of the few bright spot on this team at the moment. There is definitely a small but noticeable uptick in his play. He is certainly playing more chippy and skating with purpose instead of being a little "weak on the puck" like last year.

While I don't think he will be ever be defensively sound enough to be a Ryan McDonagh as he was projected, if he can be a Kim Johnsson pt.2 with little more offense, I'll take it.

 

[captainpaxil]

No, I'm doing basic arithmetic, something that might be over your head.
If Provorov is the first pair, D-man, then Sanheim is at best second pair.
If Ghost is PP1, then Sanheim is at best PP2.
If Provorov is 1st pair PK, then Sanheim is at best PK2.

Go to the corner and figure it out.

Im going to qualify this by saying provy is a beast and our #1 defenseman. But he's limited as a ppqb and shaking up special teams is something that needs to be done.
While i don't think sanheim could surpass ghost in this area putting sanheim on a pp that already features g could be advantageous. Frankly the provy led 2nd unit has been a deadzone for too long.

 

[briererocks]

Im going to qualify this by saying provy is a beast and our #1 defenseman. But he's limited as a ppqb and shaking up special teams is something that needs to be done.
While i don't think sanheim could surpass ghost in this area putting sanheim on a pp that already features g could be advantageous. Frankly the provy led 2nd unit has been a deadzone for too long.

Provorov is not our #1. He is crazy overrated on these boards. Ghost and Sanheim are both better than him.

 

[JayRosehillMVP]

Provorov is not our #1. He is crazy overrated on these boards. Ghost and Sanheim are both better than him.

This must be one of those guys watching the parallel universe Flyers

 

[Starat327]

Provorov is not our #1. He is crazy overrated on these boards. Ghost and Sanheim are both better than him.

He's having a bad year while also facing like top 3 toughest minutes in the league. He's still regarded as the teams #1.

 

[YamCork]

Provorov is not our #1. He is crazy overrated on these boards. Ghost and Sanheim are both better than him.

Yikes.

 

[Striiker]

Provorov is now a bad player in the same way that Giroux was done after his injury, like Ghost was after his bad performance that same year, like Konecny was when in the bottom 6, like Couturier was when he was just a 3C that had no offense, like Patrick is while being misused, and like Lindblom is on the 4th line... do I need to keep going? Or do we get the point that making stupid shortsighted comments about temporarily struggling players is a bad idea?

When will people learn to look at the big picture? When will I stop seeing these posts? Ever? Please?

 

[Johnk0728]

Provorov is not our #1. He is crazy overrated on these boards. Ghost and Sanheim are both better than him.

Wow....wtf? Provorov has regressed this year but his season last year is something that Ghost or Sanheim haven't reached yet. Ghost is pure crap this year. His confidence is visibly shot. The PP is struggling. The coaching has these kids completely lost. They need a legit veteran dman to help guide them and get them to playing the correct minutes. They also need some size with them. Provorov and Ghost are just getting plain beat up.

 

[Starat327]

Provorov is now a bad player in the same way that Giroux was done after his injury, like Ghost was after his bad performance that same year, like Konecny was when in the bottom 6, like Couturier was when he was just a 3C that had no offense, like Patrick is while being misused, and like Lindblom is on the 4th line... do I need to keep going? Or do we get the point that making stupid shortsighted comments about temporarily struggling players is a bad idea?

When will people learn to look at the big picture? When will I stop seeing these posts? Ever? Please?

Hatcher burner account

 

[JojoTheWhale]

He's not wrong. There is a significant portion (and probable majority) of the fanbase that insanely overrates him relative to on ice value.

Of course I'm not saying he's poor or anything.