Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXX

[Sweatred]

How are we going to convince a 1-2C to play in Stittsville East?

Trade some pretty prospects or draft capital for a player that doesn’t have a NTC.

 

[IranCondraAffair]

The only thing that might expedite the trade market in the short term is arbitration issues.

Maybe Copp becomes available because Winnipeg has Pionk's arbitration coming up in a few days and has gotten him signed?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Colin White and Logan Brown for Monahan? Would you do it?

I would.

Logan Brown is on his last legs here and White frees up salary and is not a long term piece imo.

 

[BUCKLE UP]

Buckle up

 

[Xspyrit]

What do you think of this? Made this post somewhere else


Ottawa could easily beat that Eichel offer, even by giving up only pieces they can afford to lose (organizational strength)

2022 1st round pick (OTT)
2022 2nd round pick (OTT)
Erik Brannstrom
Filip Gustavsson
Roby Jarventie
Logan Brown
Chris Tierney

- They can afford to trade their 1st and 2nd next draft as they have so much under-25 wealth (Edit : plus, they'd get Eichel). They also have another 2nd and three 3rd round picks (could move up to have two 2nds and a 3rd?)

- They can afford to move Brannstrom with Chabot and Sanderson on LD

- They can afford to trade Gustavsson with Murray/Forsberg now and Sogaard/Merilainen in the future.

- They can afford to trade Jarventie as they are stacked in terms of Wingers. I really like Jarventie but you have to give to get.

- Logan Brown is a high end "reclamation project". Covid and injuries made him lose a lot of development. He didn't play much since he was 21 y/o (13 AHL GP, 1 NHL GP). Ottawa can afford to trade him with Eichel, Norris, Pinto and White (etc)

- Tierney is a decent stop gap center for Buffalo (Edit : as they are rebuilding and tanking for high end picks)

 

[Cosmix]

What do you think of this? Made this post somewhere else


Ottawa could easily beat that Eichel offer, even by giving up only pieces they can afford to lose (organizational strength)

2022 1st round pick (OTT)
2022 2nd round pick (OTT)
Erik Brannstrom
Filip Gustavsson
Roby Jarventie
Logan Brown
Chris Tierney

- They can afford to trade their 1st and 2nd next draft as they have so much under-25 wealth (Edit : plus, they'd get Eichel). They also have another 2nd and three 3rd round picks (could move up to have two 2nds and a 3rd?)

- They can afford to move Brannstrom with Chabot and Sanderson on LD

- They can afford to trade Gustavsson with Murray/Forsberg now and Sogaard/Merilainen in the future.

- They can afford to trade Jarventie as they are stacked in terms of Wingers. I really like Jarventie but you have to give to get.

- Logan Brown is a high end "reclamation project". Covid and injuries made him lose a lot of development. He didn't play much since he was 21 y/o (13 AHL GP, 1 NHL GP). Ottawa can afford to trade him with Eichel, Norris, Pinto and White (etc)

- Tierney is a decent stop gap center for Buffalo (Edit : as they are rebuilding and tanking for high end picks)

I would make that trade IF the 2022 first round pick is lottery protected.

 

[Cosmix]

After crunching numbers, stay the course or bring in someone on 1 year deal for crazy good deal and just keep accumulating assets.

We already going to be strained with Colin White, last thing we need is someone else getting us stuck too.

Tierney is our one year filler vet to insulate our young centers.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Feel like Pinto and White would need to be a part of any Eichel trade.

Pinto serves as the Norris of the Eichel deal - centerpiece and potential replacement top 2 center, while White needs to go the other way for cap relief.

I'd offer Pinto + White + all of our Finns (Merilainen, Jarventie, Thomson) + 2022 1st + another 2nd/prospect

It's sad to say it's not happening though. Eichel makes too much sense as an acquisition so naturally we're not interested.

 

[Daffy]

Feel like Pinto and White would need to be a part of any Eichel trade.

Pinto serves as the Norris of the Eichel deal - centerpiece and potential replacement top 2 center, while White needs to go the other way for cap relief.

I'd offer Pinto + White + all of our Finns (Merilainen, Jarventie, Thomson) + 2022 1st + another 2nd/prospect

It's sad to say it's not happening though. Eichel makes too much sense as an acquisition so naturally we're not interested.

We have no money. We can't even sign Tkachuk to a long term deal.

 

[Hale The Villain]

We have no money. We can't even sign Tkachuk to a long term deal.

There's plenty of money to re-sign Tkachuk long-term, especially after dumping Dadonov's deal.

If there's an issue it's probably Tkachuk not wanting to re-sign long-term right now.

 

[Xspyrit]

I would make that trade IF the 2022 first round pick is lottery protected.

Don't think that would work for a player of Eichel's caliber.

And while it's risky, it's Ottawa going all in. I mean, if they're not good with this line-up (let's say Buffalo also send Eakin in the deal, who is cheaper than Tierney (1.7 less) and fits much better in that role)

Stutzle-Eichel-Batherson
Tkachuk-Norris-Brown
Formenton-Pinto-White
Crookshank-Eakin-Watson


I'd be looking at upgrading the defense though

We have no money. We can't even sign Tkachuk to a long term deal.

To be compliant to the league rules and well, have a NHL team, you have no choice to reach the cap floor. We are under it by a pretty big margin right now...

 

[DaveMatthew]

Eichel makes too much sense as an acquisition so naturally we're not interested.

It's becoming pretty evident that it's not just the Senators that aren't "interested". Other teams aren't either, at the asking price the Sabres have.

The surgery question is a MAJOR concern.

As the weeks drag on, it's becoming more and more likely that Eichel will miss a significant portion (or maybe all) of next season. So an acquiring team wouldn't get the benefit of him until 2022/23.

Now you might say, "Eichel's young enough to not worry!". And maybe that's true. But at the start of 22/23, he'll be 26 years old. It's not like we haven't seen huge talents take a big step back in their mid-20's after major surgery. We saw it here, with Erik Karlsson.

Then you factor in the other options that could become available via free-agency or trade over the next 18 months: Barkov, Couturier, Malkin, Zibanejad, O'Reilly, Dubois...

I'm not surprised a lot of teams aren't willing to take the gamble.

 

[Zorf]

To be compliant to the league rules and well, have a NHL team, you have no choice to reach the cap floor. We are under it by a pretty big margin right now...

Brady alone will get them pretty close, or even above the floor.

Sens are just a smidge shy of $53M for next season right now, and the floor is $60.2M.

Brady + Batherson will get the Sens to roughly $65M, give or take.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

It has to be a new player transaction, otherwise why would HR get involved for a current player resigning. Unless its payroll related or something.

 

[SensFan1010]

Hypothetical:

If Brady decides to hold out on his contract till after the season starts and we arent at the cap floor what happens?

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Hypothetical:

If Brady decides to hold out on his contract till after the season starts and we arent at the cap floor what happens?

I suspect we would be penalized for the amount that we are under the floor. I.E it would make more sense to just sign a guy like Bozak for 1yr @ however much we are below.

 

[BigRig4]

It has to be a new player transaction, otherwise why would HR get involved for a current player resigning. Unless its payroll related or something.

Wouldn't HR be involved in a new contract for an existing employee as well? I could be wrong though.

 

[Xspyrit]

Brady alone will get them pretty close, or even above the floor.

Sens are just a smidge shy of $53M for next season right now, and the floor is $60.2M.

Brady + Batherson will get the Sens to roughly $65M, give or take.

Thanks but I can read Cap friendly!

Seriously, what are the chances that Brady AAV will be ~7.0 or more? He'll probably go for a bridge because, like pretty much every NHL player, he will want to see if ownership can commit financially to the team's long term success before committing himself. I mean, making money is cool and everything but players also want to win.

It'll take both Brady and Batherson extensions to reach the cap floor. Still not very exciting when you see most other NHL teams literally burning money for a slim hope of success.

 

[Langdon Alger]

We have no money. We can't even sign Tkachuk to a long term deal.

Says who?

 

[Samboni]

Just got the heads up...
Some sort of transaction happening today.

Like I said last time, could be something small / announced at a later date, but stuff is happening on the HR side today it appears.

I’m guessing an AHL contract followed by a presser lol.

 

[Daffy]

Says who?

Do you know who our owner is?

 

[Langdon Alger]

Do you know who our owner is?

Tkachuk hasn’t signed yet. To say we can’t sign him to a long term deal is disingenuous.

 

[Crosside]

And not because the team not try . If he sign a bridge this is because Tkachuk want this

 

[benjiv1]

Wouldn't HR be involved in a new contract for an existing employee as well? I could be wrong though.

This is correct. Any update to employment would involve HR.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Do you know who our owner is?

The guy paying Chabot $64mil over the next 8yrs in a contract that was, at the time, without much precedent?