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If you can't close a deal for Henrique in the next few days, the focus should shift to making a huge push for Tyler Bozak.
Jesus f***king Christ.
If you can't close a deal for Henrique in the next few days, the focus should shift to making a huge push for Tyler Bozak.
I definitely see him as a last chance option due to his history with DJ or a replacement option if we trade Tierney for someone and need a depth replacement. I also don't see us adding him unless we strike out everywhere and we decide to trade Logan Brown. Our center depth goes a little crazy if we try to keep everyone and add Bozak even if we shift White to the wing. Do you know if Bozak still plays wing a bit?If you can't close a deal for Henrique in the next few days, the focus should shift to making a huge push for Tyler Bozak.
This isn’t even true. He was qualifiedStrome is a talented player, who is absolutely a product of his line mates.
Of course his production is going to be positively impacted playing alongside a top scoring Norris winner, 100+ point Hart nominee and 40g ppg Center on the PP.
He’s not going to be the same player wherever he goes, there’s a reason the Rangers aren’t very high on him, not even qualifying him last season. He’s not worth what his positively effected stats would/will have given him in salary.
More like M. Tkachuk or Zibanejad
Give me a player that moves the needle for us
There was a rumour he wasn't going to be qualified in case he came in at like 5-6M in arbitration, but then they decided to qualify him for one season only after they saw the offers to trade him were trash, and they would have to give term to a UFA instead.This isn’t even true. He was qualified
How do you define "moving the needle"?
You could argue that the single most important thing for the Senators next year is helping Stützle develop into a premier, offensive player.
William Nylander went from 13 points/22 games in his rookie season to 61 points/82 games in his 2nd.
Timo Meier went from 36 points/81 games to 66 points/78 games.
Nik Ehlers went from 38 points/72 games to 64 points/82 games.
Can Stützle make a similar jump? It'd help if he could play with someone who:
a) wasn't going through their own rookie growing pains
b) had enough skill to keep plays alive in the offensive zone and didn't have pucks die when they hit their stick
c) had enough hockey sense to understand how to play an effective supporting role on a line with a high-flying offensive talent (not as easy as it sounds - you need to anticipate plays, know where to go, and know how not to get in the way).
A guy like Ryan Strome checks those boxes. That, IMO, moves the needle.
And that's not even considering the importance of having someone who can step up if a guy like Norris or Batherson go down with an injury.
It can't be "current premier NHL all-stars who make $7+ million" or bust.
True, my mistake.This isn’t even true. He was qualified
If you can't close a deal for Henrique in the next few days, the focus should shift to making a huge push for Tyler Bozak.
For me I don't look at getting a player better than someone on our current roster as an improvement (I.e getting a center better than Teirney or White), to improve you need a piece better or on par than your opponents players.
Strome Henrique Monahan..etc, are all players who are better than our current centers- but do not move the needle for the team as they don't compare to our competition imo.
To your point we need our prospects to improve, but that's gonna happen regardless. If you want to compete next season you need a bona-fide piece in the top half of this lineup
If you can't get that, don't waste your assets on stop gaps.
His production jumped suddenly after six years and two different teams. Not just numbers based on additional playing time or shooting percentage, his assist numbers on a per 60 minute rate both on the PP and 5v5. That is pretty much all that has jumped. Now, which is more likely:
1. He, overnight, became a better playmaker at 25.
2. He started playing beside an MVP calibre player and playing way more
I'll let other people decide if this is a "bad take"
I personally would be fine taking on some of these lower tier C's. However the problem like I said before is we are going to overpay for a season or two and they will either play themselves into a big time raise or will play poorly and walk away. I have no problem buying low on some these C's that are being thrown around but if Pierre valued one year of Stepan at a 2nd rd pick, I am scared to death to see how he values Monahan, Strome, Henrique, Kadri, etc.
Pagnotta said the three teams left on Eichel the Ducks, Calgary, and NYR
So, basically, the three teams we've been linked to.
I think it is fair to say my guess is probably accurate and we should be rooting for Eichel to go to whichever team has the player you want: Henrique, Strome, or Monahan
So, I guess, go Flames? Get that Eichel!
The only one on that list that I have warmed up to a bit lately is Kadri because he only has one year left on his current contract. If he plays well & fits, we could always make a decision to extend. But, I would only be interested if the price (assets lost) was moderate.If our options are Strome, Monohan, Kadri, Kerfoot and Henrique, we should just stand pat.
Just kicking the can down the road.
Dvorak as well makes zero sense. More of why we have.
How do you define "moving the needle"?
You could argue that the single most important thing for the Senators next year is helping Stützle develop into a premier, offensive player.
William Nylander went from 13 points/22 games in his rookie season to 61 points/82 games in his 2nd.
Timo Meier went from 36 points/81 games to 66 points/78 games.
Nik Ehlers went from 38 points/72 games to 64 points/82 games.
Can Stützle make a similar jump? It'd help if he could play with someone who:
a) wasn't going through their own rookie growing pains
b) had enough skill to keep plays alive in the offensive zone and didn't have pucks die when they hit their stick
c) had enough hockey sense to understand how to play an effective supporting role on a line with a high-flying offensive talent (not as easy as it sounds - you need to anticipate plays, know where to go, and know how not to get in the way).
A guy like Ryan Strome checks those boxes. That, IMO, moves the needle.
And that's not even considering the importance of having someone who can step up if a guy like Norris or Batherson go down with an injury.
It can't be "current premier NHL all-stars who make $7+ million" or bust.
Some portray this as a good move because he was a vet to lead & mentor.I'm guessing that's why Pierre #2 was brought on.
Paying a 2nd for Stepan was outrageous.
Competing can also have many different meanings.
If anyone expects the team to compete with Tampa, Florida and Toronto in the standings next season, you're almost certainly going to be disappointed.
But that's not necessarily the goal. The goal is to be better than we were last year, and join the bubble group. A realistic target is 80-90 points, and to get there, additions like Monahan and Strome can certainly help.
We're not going to go from bottom-10 team to contender in one season, there'll be steps and progression.
I also disagree, strongly, that our prospects and young players will improve regardless of what we do. Who they're able to play with, and the situations they're put in, has a massive effect.
Pairing Stützle with someone who can make crisp offensive plays is super important, even if they're not all-stars like Eichel or Zibanejad.
I'm really not interested in any of Strome, Monohan, Kadri, Kerfoot, or Henrique. I don't believe the above players are anything special, or "move the needle" in any meaningful way. I would much rather let White, Brown, and Pinto battle it out for that second line center role than get one of these guys.
I am FIRMLY in the camp that the team should make a splash for Eichel or play the kids. If the kids match expectations, we still have a shot at being bad enough to finish in the bottom 10, giving us a shot at Wright. Eichel and the 2022 draft look like our last shots at getting a #1 center. I don't believe looking out for your long term health is an attitude problem, so the only flag I have with Eichel is his health. Listening to the interview with his doctor alleviated some concerns over this.
Pinto
White
Unprotected 2022 1st
Greig
Choice of any defenseman in the system not named Chabot, Sanderson, or Zub
Choice of any goalie in the system
Roster by the end of the 2021-2022 season and potentially for the 2022-23 season:
Stützle - Eichel - Brown
Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson
Paul - Brown - Formenton
Bishop - Tierney - Watson
Chabot - Zaitzev
Sanderson - Zub
Brannstrom/Mete/Del Zotto/Holden - Brannstrom/Mete/Holden/Brown/JBD/Thompson
Murray/Forsberg/Gustavsson
Two elite offensive forwards, a stellar 2nd line, bottom six with a bit of everything. The top 4 defense of the future, and a solid bottom pair. Goaltending will be the only thing we'll be iffy on, but that team looks playoff bound.
We'll still have a glut of goalie prospects, good winger prospects, and some defense reinforcements as well. If you don't think that package is enough for Eichel, I don't see how you project us to be a playoff team any time soon. If you look at how most Sens fans project the roster in the future, that package contains our future 50-65 point matchup monster second line center, many people's "darkhorse" for another second line center or at least a good second line winger and a top 4 defenseman - three key players in our future lineup - plus a potentially high first in a good draft. They also get a young player with some potential in White and a choice of a goalie now, or one of our high end goalie prospects (position of great need for them).
If you believe that the Sens can't afford Eichel and to keep the guys we have now long term. That's fair. I believe that bridging the core we have and trading for Eichel will lead to a better team that isn't in a different price category than paying to lock up the core we have AND a much better team. I would much rather bridge Tkachuk at 6.5 million, Norris at 5 million, Batherson at 4.5 million, and have Eichel at 10 million (26 million total) than sign Tkachuk at 8, Norris at 7, and Batherson at 5.5 and Pinto at 5 million (25.5 million total). It gives us a shorter looking window, but it makes the team better now, something that could lead to more ticket sales and more revenue to sign some of these guys to another deal after the bridge. When I look at our team and prospects right now, I don't see a cup winner. I see a very good team that can make some runs, but is missing the star power most cup teams have. Eichel is a chance to fix that and cement ourselves as cup contenders starting 2022-2023.
I'm guessing that's why Pierre #2 was brought on.
Paying a 2nd for Stepan was outrageous.
Well Pierre 2 is here and there is talks of Steone for Brannstrom. Will we be bringing a Pierre 3 if that trade goes down ?
Well Pierre 2 is here and there is talks of Steone for Brannstrom. Will we be bringing a Pierre 3 if that trade goes down ?
Don't think Brannstrom would be included in a Strome deal. In a package for Eichel though? Absolutely. But no chance Ottawa gets Eichel. Package for Strome probably includes L.Brown and a high pick.
Strome, Henrique and Monahan being discussed is depressing sure it’s better compared to Aberg, Holden and MDZ but point still stands
If we are going to be a bunch of losers and pass on Eichel because he’s making 10M, just tank completely and hope you get #1 pick