Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals 2019-20 Part VII

[Sweatred]

It would be possible to do trades this way, but it would take a lot of trust because we'd have to select their players with our picks, and if they go back on their word and don't complete the trade call after the season, then we are stuck with those players.

The NHL could allow teams to trade players for the upcoming season while remaining on their current team to finish the 2020 season, and keep it undisclosed, but I'd imagine it would probably leak anyways. So, at that point wouldn't teams rather tell the players before hand? In which case, there would an awkward dynamic where a player is closing out the season on a team that has already moved on from them.

There is precedent in Sports to do it as a “player to be named later” with possible conditions.

 

[Crosside]

It would be possible to do trades this way, but it would take a lot of trust because we'd have to select their players with our picks, and if they go back on their word and don't complete the trade call after the season, then we are stuck with those players.

The NHL could allow teams to trade players for the upcoming season while remaining on their current team to finish the 2020 season, and keep it undisclosed, but I'd imagine it would probably leak anyways. So, at that point wouldn't teams rather tell the players before hand? In which case, there would an awkward dynamic where a player is closing out the season on a team that has already moved on from them.

Yeah and what happened if the player hurt in playoff

 

[Cosmix]

Yeah and what happened if the player hurt in playoff

That could be addressed in the trade arrangements. For example, if a player was seriously hurt and could not play again, then the trade could require compensation such as an equivalent draft pick(s) in future years. Or some other furure oriented terms.

 

[Clayonator]

I think it’s possible we target some additional D on top of Zub. Demers makes a lot of sense. Expiring contract with no trade protection going into next year, and makes less than his cap hit. Is only 31, and shoots right. Good all around player. Could make a good partner for Chabot/Brannstrom/Wolanin, depending on where the latter two play in terms of right vs left, and in the case of Branny, if he plays another year in Bellevegas.

Should also be noted, that the Yotes will quite possibly be trying to open cap space in order to take a run at signing Hall, assuming they have a margin of hope to pull it off.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I made a list of 50 impending FAs, with their approximate role and my estimation of their contract. Guys in bold are players I could see the Sens having interest in.

1. Pietrangelo - 1RD - 8 x 10.5
2. Hall - 1LW - 8 x 9.5
3. Krug - 2/3LD - 6 x 8
4. Holtby - 1G - 6 x 7.5
5. Hoffman - 1/2LW - 6 x 8
6. Dadonov - 1/2RW - 5 x 7.5
7. Brodie - 3/4LD - 5 x 6.5
8. Tanev - 3/4RD - 4 x 5.5
9. Toffoli - 2/3RW - 5 x 5
10. Lehner - 1G - 3 x 6
11. Byfuglien - 2/3RD - 2 x 5.5
12. Edmundson - 4/5RD - 5 x 4
13. Vatanen - 3/4LD - 4 x 4.5
14. Shattenkirk - 3/4RD -3 x 5
15. Hamonic - 4/5RD - 4 x 4
16. Barrie - 3/4RD - 2 x 5
17. Schultz - 3/4RD 2 x 5
18. Haula - 5/6F - 2 x 4.5
19. Dillon - 4/5RD - 3 x 4
20. Gustafsson - 4/5LD -4 x 3.5
21. Crawford - 1B/2G - 2 x 5
22. Soderberg - 3C - 3 x 3.5
23. Granlund - 5/6F -2 x 4
24. C. Smith - 2/3RW - 4 x 4
25. Braun - 4/5RD - 2 x 4
26. Hutton - 5LD - 3 x 2.5
27. Trevor Van Riemsdyk - 5RD - 3 x 3
28. Larsson - 3/4LW - 4 x 2.75
29. Fast - 3/4RW - 4 x 3
30. Leivo - 3RW - 4 x 2.75
31. Gudas - 5RD - 3 x 3.25
32. Eakin - 3/4C - 4 x 3
33. Janmark - 3/4C - 4 x 3
34. DeMelo - 4 x 3
35. Halak - 2G - 2 x 3
36. Sheary - 3/4LW - 3 x 3
37. Clifford - 4 x 2.75
38. Namestnikov - 3 x 3
39. Green - 2 x 4
40. Borowiecki - 3 x 2.25
41. Nieto - 3 x 2.25
42. Girgensons - 3 x 2.25m
43. Lewis 3 x 2
44. Greene - 1 x 3.5
45. Simmonds - 1 x 3
46. Brassard - 2 x 2
47. Vesey - 2 x 2
48. Galchenyuk - 1 x 2.5
49. Maroon - 1 x 2
50. Sekera - 1 x 1.7

 

[BankStreetParade]

What's the strategy to buying them out vs. keeping them to fill slots on the exposed players list for the upcoming expansion draft? Doesn't it make more sense to use them as fillers to protect other roster players? Especially considering cap implications are negligible for us.

 

[Peptic Balcers]

I made a list of 50 impending FAs, with their approximate role and my estimation of their contract. Guys in bold are players I could see the Sens having interest in.

1. Pietrangelo - 1RD - 8 x 10.5
2. Hall - 1LW - 8 x 9.5
3. Krug - 2/3LD - 6 x 8
4. Holtby - 1G - 6 x 7.5
5. Hoffman - 1/2LW - 6 x 8
6. Dadonov - 1/2RW - 5 x 7.5
7. Brodie - 3/4LD - 5 x 6.5
8. Tanev - 3/4RD - 4 x 5.5
9. Toffoli - 2/3RW - 5 x 5
10. Lehner - 1G - 3 x 6
11. Byfuglien - 2/3RD - 2 x 5.5
12. Edmundson - 4/5RD - 5 x 4
13. Vatanen - 3/4LD - 4 x 4.5
14. Shattenkirk - 3/4RD -3 x 5
15. Hamonic - 4/5RD - 4 x 4
16. Barrie - 3/4RD - 2 x 5
17. Schultz - 3/4RD 2 x 5
18. Haula - 5/6F - 2 x 4.5
19. Dillon - 4/5RD - 3 x 4
20. Gustafsson - 4/5LD -4 x 3.5
21. Crawford - 1B/2G - 2 x 5
22. Soderberg - 3C - 3 x 3.5
23. Granlund - 5/6F -2 x 4
24. C. Smith - 2/3RW - 4 x 4
25. Braun - 4/5RD - 2 x 4
26. Hutton - 5LD - 3 x 2.5
27. Trevor Van Riemsdyk - 5RD - 3 x 3
28. Larsson - 3/4LW - 4 x 2.75
29. Fast - 3/4RW - 4 x 3
30. Leivo - 3RW - 4 x 2.75
31. Gudas - 5RD - 3 x 3.25
32. Eakin - 3/4C - 4 x 3
33. Janmark - 3/4C - 4 x 3
34. DeMelo - 4 x 3
35. Halak - 2G - 2 x 3
36. Sheary - 3/4LW - 3 x 3
37. Clifford - 4 x 2.75
38. Namestnikov - 3 x 3
39. Green - 2 x 4
40. Borowiecki - 3 x 2.25
41. Nieto - 3 x 2.25
42. Girgensons - 3 x 2.25m
43. Lewis 3 x 2
44. Greene - 1 x 3.5
45. Simmonds - 1 x 3
46. Brassard - 2 x 2
47. Vesey - 2 x 2
48. Galchenyuk - 1 x 2.5
49. Maroon - 1 x 2
50. Sekera - 1 x 1.7

I'd do Dadonov on short term with more money, would like to be able to re-sign the young guys coming off of ELC.

Haula is noice

I like a few names on D but Ottawa would have to move some bodies. If Nilsson isn't ready, I wonder if they'd explore Lehner? Even Halak would be a nice pick up, he's an old man so he wouldn't need term

 

[Hale The Villain]

If Lehner would be interested in coming back, we should absolutely look at him. Most underrated goalie in the league.

Of all active goalies, he's 5th in save percentage since entering the league, behind only Rask, Bishop, Vasilevskiy and Gibson. And besides the one year playing with the Isles, where he put up a Vezina-quality season, he's always played on bad teams behind poor defenses.

I'd offer 5x5 or more money on a shorter deal. Would trade Nilsson in an instant if it meant bringing Lehner back.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I'd do Dadonov on short term with more money, would like to be able to re-sign the young guys coming off of ELC.

Haula is noice

I like a few names on D but Ottawa would have to move some bodies. If Nilsson isn't ready, I wonder if they'd explore Lehner? Even Halak would be a nice pick up, he's an old man so he wouldn't need term

I think Florida is going to make a really big push to re-sign Dadonov but I would love him. Just think he's out of our league if he hits open market.

I'd love Lehner back here but as far as I understand, Nilsson is essentially cleared to play and ready to go.

 

[JungleBeat]

Last meaningful player the Sens signed was MacArthur. Ottawa is not a prime destination for UFAs

 

[Micklebot]

Last meaningful player the Sens signed was MacArthur. Ottawa is not a prime destination for UFAs

How dare you disrespect O'Dell, he got a press conference...


Seriously though, I'm not convinced we tried to sign any meaningful UFA since then so it's hard to infer anything.

 

[LeProspector]

I like Edmundson a lot as a player but anything over 3 and i think it’s an overpay.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

What's the strategy to buying them out vs. keeping them to fill slots on the exposed players list for the upcoming expansion draft? Doesn't it make more sense to use them as fillers to protect other roster players? Especially considering cap implications are negligible for us.

No idea. These tweets don't really go into the strategy or the background .. they are what they are

 

[Sweatred]

Last meaningful player the Sens signed was MacArthur. Ottawa is not a prime destination for UFAs

Big time 20 goal guy ... Melynk paid him about $30 million US for his 40 goals ... Or about $750US (a sold out CTC) for each goal.

 

[DrSense]

Last meaningful player the Sens signed was MacArthur. Ottawa is not a prime destination for UFAs

Yeah, our best bet is to grab a 2nd tier UFA because they will potentially get a top 6 F or top 4 D role with us, where they can't get it elsewhere. Until we start showing we're ascending, that's about all we've got to offer a player. So ideally, a player in their late 20's who wants to use a 1-2 year deal with the Sens to jack up their market value with the prime ice time they can get with the Sens, after not getting offered a big deal as a UFA on this go around.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I made a list of 50 impending FAs, with their approximate role and my estimation of their contract. Guys in bold are players I could see the Sens having interest in.

1. Pietrangelo - 1RD - 8 x 10.5
2. Hall - 1LW - 8 x 9.5
3. Krug - 2/3LD - 6 x 8
4. Holtby - 1G - 6 x 7.5
5. Hoffman - 1/2LW - 6 x 8
6. Dadonov - 1/2RW - 5 x 7.5
7. Brodie - 3/4LD - 5 x 6.5
8. Tanev - 3/4RD - 4 x 5.5
9. Toffoli - 2/3RW - 5 x 5
10. Lehner - 1G - 3 x 6
11. Byfuglien - 2/3RD - 2 x 5.5
12. Edmundson - 4/5RD - 5 x 4
13. Vatanen - 3/4LD - 4 x 4.5
14. Shattenkirk - 3/4RD -3 x 5
15. Hamonic - 4/5RD - 4 x 4
16. Barrie - 3/4RD - 2 x 5
17. Schultz - 3/4RD 2 x 5
18. Haula - 5/6F - 2 x 4.5
19. Dillon - 4/5RD - 3 x 4
20. Gustafsson - 4/5LD -4 x 3.5
21. Crawford - 1B/2G - 2 x 5
22. Soderberg - 3C - 3 x 3.5
23. Granlund - 5/6F -2 x 4
24. C. Smith - 2/3RW - 4 x 4
25. Braun - 4/5RD - 2 x 4
26. Hutton - 5LD - 3 x 2.5
27. Trevor Van Riemsdyk - 5RD - 3 x 3
28. Larsson - 3/4LW - 4 x 2.75
29. Fast - 3/4RW - 4 x 3
30. Leivo - 3RW - 4 x 2.75
31. Gudas - 5RD - 3 x 3.25
32. Eakin - 3/4C - 4 x 3
33. Janmark - 3/4C - 4 x 3
34. DeMelo - 4 x 3
35. Halak - 2G - 2 x 3
36. Sheary - 3/4LW - 3 x 3
37. Clifford - 4 x 2.75
38. Namestnikov - 3 x 3
39. Green - 2 x 4
40. Borowiecki - 3 x 2.25
41. Nieto - 3 x 2.25
42. Girgensons - 3 x 2.25m
43. Lewis 3 x 2
44. Greene - 1 x 3.5
45. Simmonds - 1 x 3
46. Brassard - 2 x 2
47. Vesey - 2 x 2
48. Galchenyuk - 1 x 2.5
49. Maroon - 1 x 2
50. Sekera - 1 x 1.7

GAAAAALLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

 

[Skid]

GAAAAALLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

*Insert giant fart noise*

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

GAAAAALLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Lol I thought of you when I got to his name on the list. Dont think he's a DJ Smith player but hopefully he catches on somewhere.

 

[Bileur]

*Insert giant fart noise*

A key part of this rebuild is ensuring the right culture is built. There’s a decent amount of risk in getting a guy like this, highly skilled former 30 goal guy who teams don’t want to keep around. Something doesn’t smell right.

It has worked out so far with a younger Duclair but it’s a risk to keep adding these types. We want the young guys to learn to play the right way and having the right players in significant roles on the team is an important component of that.

I’d pass on him.

 

[Micklebot]

A key part of this rebuild is ensuring the right culture is built. There’s a decent amount of risk in getting a guy like this, highly skilled former 30 goal guy who teams don’t want to keep around. Something doesn’t smell right.

It has worked out so far with a younger Duclair but it’s a risk to keep adding these types. We want the young guys to learn to play the right way and having the right players in significant roles on the team is an important component of that.

I’d pass on him.

It really boils down to the contract. If we can bring Galchenyuk in on a 1 yr deal, see how he gels with the coach, I'd do it. If he's looking for more than 2 years, I walk away for sure. 2 years would depend on the dollars.

The thing is, worst case scenario, if we sign Gally for say 1 yr 4 mil, and he's clearly not working out, he still brings value as an example; the coach will scratch you if you aren't earning your place regardless of how much you make. Not sure Melnyk would appreciate it, but you can still build a strong culture even if you have a dissident in the mix, it's all about how you manage it.

 

[TheNewEra]

Yeah, our best bet is to grab a 2nd tier UFA because they will potentially get a top 6 F or top 4 D role with us, where they can't get it elsewhere. Until we start showing we're ascending, that's about all we've got to offer a player. So ideally, a player in their late 20's who wants to use a 1-2 year deal with the Sens to jack up their market value with the prime ice time they can get with the Sens, after not getting offered a big deal as a UFA on this go around.

Considering the FA list that is posted above and the flat cap i would say after the top 6 names the rest are 2nd tier UFA's or lower

I would honestly like us to buy low on simmonds or maroon. Add some sandpaper to the lineup. We would only be expecting them to be lower end 3rd liners and if they somehow bounce back profit. Plus teams value grit at the deadline so we should be able to get a 3rd/4th for them at least.

 

[armani]

*Insert giant fart noise*

A key part of this rebuild is ensuring the right culture is built. There’s a decent amount of risk in getting a guy like this, highly skilled former 30 goal guy who teams don’t want to keep around. Something doesn’t smell right.

It has worked out so far with a younger Duclair but it’s a risk to keep adding these types. We want the young guys to learn to play the right way and having the right players in significant roles on the team is an important component of that.

I’d pass on him.

It's the giant fart marked by Skid. Agreed, I want neither Galchenyuk nor Gary Galley anywhere near this team.

 

[Bileur]

It really boils down to the contract. If we can bring Galchenyuk in on a 1 yr deal, see how he gels with the coach, I'd do it. If he's looking for more than 2 years, I walk away for sure. 2 years would depend on the dollars.

The thing is, worst case scenario, if we sign Gally for say 1 yr 4 mil, and he's clearly not working out, he still brings value as an example; the coach will scratch you if you aren't earning your place regardless of how much you make. Not sure Melnyk would appreciate it, but you can still build a strong culture even if you have a dissident in the mix, it's all about how you manage it.

If you think there’s a significant chance that you’ll have to resort to using your newly signed big UFA acquisition as an example by scratching/demoting him I think you should just avoid signing him in the first place.

While it is a better option than just playing a guy who isn’t earning his minutes, it is still likely to cause issues in the locker room and give a bad example to younger players. Plus these things always take several weeks or months to play out. The sens in particular should try to avoid that kind of thing happening in their lockeroom.

It’s also a bad example for other potential UFA signings if you’re throwing a recent signee under the bus a few months into a new deal.

In a season where the sens will more than likely still be a lottery team, I think the risks outweigh the potential benefit of signing this guy.

 

[Micklebot]

If you think there’s a significant chance that you’ll have to resort to using your newly signed big UFA acquisition as an example by scratching/demoting him I think you should just avoid signing him in the first place.

While it is a better option than just playing a guy who isn’t earning his minutes, it is still likely to cause issues in the locker room and give a bad example to younger players. Plus these things always take several weeks or months to play out. The sens in particular should try to avoid that kind of thing happening in their lockeroom.

It’s also a bad example for other potential UFA signings if you’re throwing a recent signee under the bus a few months into a new deal.

In a season where the sens will more than likely still be a lottery team, I think the risks outweigh the potential benefit of signing this guy.

It's a matter of risk reward, and that's the absolute worst case, which I don't see as terribly likely, he did put up a 41 pts pace with the wild after being traded. On the flip side, the reward is a top 6 forward young enough to fit the rebuild, and probably the most skilled forward on the roster currently, or at least in the ball park. The same sort of stuff was said about Duclair, he turned out great. The Penguins didn't have time to work a player though their struggles, we do. So long as the effort is there, we can deal with growing pains.

I think there is a lot of potential and he's a guy that will have a lot of time to think about why he's failed to stick with this pandemic. I honestly don't think the price to sign him will be as high as in my hypothetical particularly with revenues tanking.

As for other UFA, well, if they are the type that is worried about getting scratched when they don't put in the effort, maybe it's a good thing they get scared off from signing here.

 

[JungleBeat]

Galchenyuk on a 1-2 year deal has minimal risk for this team that’s basement caliber.