Rumor: Trade rumours/Proposals 2018-2019 (Part 8)

[JD1]

Well if Dorion has no intent on seriously trying to sign them to extensions then who is it on? We saw the exact same song and dance with Karlsson. Why would this be any different? Karlsson is better than Stone and Duchene.

Based on what is in the media with these two players versus Karlsson, do you not see a difference in intent?

 

[bert]

Based on what is in the media with these two players versus Karlsson, do you not see a difference in intent?

I see the exact same situation playing out, no quality offers just B.S to try and get people to continue to buy tickets. Did you not hear about Melnyks announcement they are spending from 2021 to 2025. Its 2019 right now.... Why is the sens controlled media saying they 'are meeting' but then no numbers are discussed? Is this real? Its a dog and pony show how you cant see the correlation isnt exactly suprising but its fairly obvious its the exact same thing happening again.

I honestly find it incredible that people believe what is being projected by this organization and take it for face value. Id love to play you in poker.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

I see the exact same situation playing out, no quality offers just B.S to try and get people to continue to buy tickets. Did you not hear about Melnyks announcement they are spending from 2021 to 2025. Its 2019 right now.... Why is the sens controlled media saying they 'are meeting' but then no numbers are discussed? Is this real? Its a dog and pony show how you cant see the correlation isnt exactly suprising but its fairly obvious its the exact same thing happening again.

I honestly find it incredible that people believe what is being projected by this organization and take it for face value. Id love to play you in poker.

The organization has given me no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt on anything that they've said

 

[danielpalfredsson]

In short, no. This is the biggest news surrounding the team, and has been for months.

It is what it is, there is no sneaking trying to dupe people in to buying tickets.

The management of this team is absolutely trying to sign these guys, it has come down to whether they want to stay or not, and so we wait until the deadline PD set for their decisions.

The simplest explanation is also the one that makes the most sense.

I never insinuated we do not want or, or are not trying to sign these guys.

Waiting to announce the news of their departure to the last possible moment doesn't mean this team hasn't been trying to sign them.

It's a very simple explanation, it is not at all convoluted.

Ticket sales/season ticket renewals (which happen in February, right?) is a plausible and simple explanation as to why this team would wait until as deep as possible into the month to announce what will be one of the most negative PR stories this franchise has ever seen.

 

[Sensung]

I never insinuated we do not want or, or are not trying to sign these guys.

Waiting to announce the news of their departure to the last possible moment doesn't mean this team hasn't been trying to sign them.

It's a very simple explanation, it is not at all convoluted.

Ticket sales/season ticket renewals (which happen in February, right?) is a plausible and simple explanation as to why this team would wait until as deep as possible into the month to announce what will be one of the most negative PR stories this franchise has ever seen.

I also think the Lebreton negotiations and a potential sale could be factors.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Based on what is in the media with these two players versus Karlsson, do you not see a difference in intent?

They just released a statement about competeing in 2021 lol. Not right now. Our top players at the moment are not in their plans.

 

[JD1]

They just released a statement about competeing in 2021 lol. Not right now. Our top players at the moment are not in their plans.

The statenent they released was kind of foolish imo however im not sure how you derived from that statement that the top guys are not in the plans. I look at it the opposite way...if you accept the statement at face value the top guys would pretty much have to be in the plans to spend that kind of money..,,or replacement players...but i certainly didn't derive from that statement any type of acknowledgement that they weren't interested in those players.

 

[Sensung]

How much money (if any) do the Sens need to take back if they trade Duchene, Stone, Dzingle and Ceci to say cap compliant?

 

[BatherSeason]

How much money (if any) do the Sens need to take back if they trade Duchene, Stone, Dzingle and Ceci to say cap compliant?

(Pierre Dorion is going to run out of time and forget to trade Cody Ceci)

 

[Sensung]

The statenent they released was kind of foolish imo however im not sure how you derived from that statement that the top guys are not in the plans. I look at it the opposite way...if you accept the statement at face value the top guys would pretty much have to be in the plans to spend that kind of money..,,or replacement players...but i certainly didn't derive from that statement any type of acknowledgement that they weren't interested in those players.

The statement could be viewed multiple ways.

The most plausible is that they were prepping the fanbase for losing the UFA'S.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

If Dorion can do a sign and trade in the next few days ... He'd have to find the team, then allow the deal to be worked out , negotiate the return, get the contract in place and finalize the trade.... but he couldn't get these guys signed having several months to work something out .. and the trade would be marginalized by waiting so long.

The inability to sign these guys is an indictment of how much faith players that are playing and succeeding here have in things getting better.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Pastarnak injured, everything is coming up Dorion.

If he can get Boston to overpay for Dzingel, that would be just great.

 

[Riceroni]

Now that pasta is injured maybe we can trade Tierney and Dzingel to Boston for Vaakanainen + 2020 1st and 2019 2nd?

 

[Unparalleled2021]

These are the prospects I see as realistic targets from the teams that have reportedly shown interest/ make sense as trade partners:

2015
Senyshyn - BOS
Beauvillier - NYI
Andersson - CAL
Kylington - CAL
Niku - WPG

2016
Fabbro - NSH
Stanley - WPG
Bellows - NYI
Gauthier - CAR
Dube - CAL
Fox - CAR

2017
Valimaki - CAL
Vaakanainen - BOS
Yamamoto - EDM
Vesalainen - WPG
Tolvanen - NSH
Texier - CBJ
Mattheos - CAR
Sandberg - WPG

2018
Wahlstrom - NYI
Dobson - NYI
Foudy - CBJ
Wilde - NYI

Anyone missing?

 

[BatherSeason]

The statement could be viewed multiple ways.

The most plausible is that they were prepping the fanbase for losing the UFA'S.

Looks like the vocal minority was right again. The writing has been on the wall basically since Stone signed a one year deal.

 

[Icelevel]

These are the prospects I see as realistic targets from the teams that have reportedly shown interest/ make sense as trade partners:

2015
Senyshyn - BOS
Beauvillier - NYI
Andersson - CAL
Kylington - CAL
Niku - WPG

2016
Fabbro - NSH
Stanley - WPG
Bellows - NYI
Gauthier - CAR
Dube - CAL
Fox - CAR

2017
Valimaki - CAL
Vaakanainen - BOS
Yamamoto - EDM
Vesalainen - WPG
Tolvanen - NSH
Texier - CBJ
Mattheos - CAR
Sandberg - WPG

2018
Wahlstrom - NYI
Dobson - NYI
Foudy - CBJ
Wilde - NYI

Anyone missing?

Funny how as the picks get later (and the less we know about the players) the more enticing they become.

 

[Liver King]

Vesalainen Tolvanen Niku and Fabbro

All good prospects that should be available.

I think Vesalainen and Tolvanen have worked well together in junior tournaments so night be smart to target them both.

I dont think were getting a blue chip D prospect - something we need to target with the 1st round picks we acquire

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Pastarnak injured, everything is coming up Dorion.

If he can get Boston to overpay for Dzingel, that would be just great.

And if he just wears his flood pants, his ankles will remain bone dry!

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

These are the prospects I see as realistic targets from the teams that have reportedly shown interest/ make sense as trade partners:

2015
Senyshyn - BOS
Beauvillier - NYI
Andersson - CAL
Kylington - CAL
Niku - WPG

2016
Fabbro - NSH
Stanley - WPG
Bellows - NYI
Gauthier - CAR
Dube - CAL
Fox - CAR

2017
Valimaki - CAL
Vaakanainen - BOS
Yamamoto - EDM
Vesalainen - WPG
Tolvanen - NSH
Texier - CBJ
Mattheos - CAR
Sandberg - WPG

2018
Wahlstrom - NYI
Dobson - NYI
Foudy - CBJ
Wilde - NYI

Anyone missing?

Marchenko from Columbus is a really good prospect too

Maybe Zboril from Boston?

Allard from Nashville...

Brannstrom, Hague, Glass and Elvenes from Vegas....

Philippe Myers & Isaac Ratcliffe from Philly...

Chemlevski, True, Gambrell, Blichfield, Letunov, Chekhovich from SJ...

Good list though!

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Sens should be sitting the 3 UFAs now... They should also sit Ceci .. but that was true months ago.

Even as just a precaution that the don't sign; which is getting to the point of being widely accepted.

So many ways to get injured and although it would be fitting for Dorion's reign.. He should try to avoid it.

 

[bert]

Vesalainen Tolvanen Niku and Fabbro

All good prospects that should be available.

I think Vesalainen and Tolvanen have worked well together in junior tournaments so night be smart to target them both.

I dont think were getting a blue chip D prospect - something we need to target with the 1st round picks we acquire

They need a RD really badly, Fabbro and or Dobson would be incredible adds.

Foudy to me is the top forward prospect on that list, he has Dylan Larkin written all over him.

 

[SensFactor]

Too quiet from the Ottawa management front. Much too quiet

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

They need a RD really badly, Fabbro and or Dobson would be incredible adds.

Foudy to me is the top forward prospect on that list, he has Dylan Larkin written all over him.

or Fox;

Dobson, Fabbro or Fox .

 

[SensFactor]

They need a RD really badly, Fabbro and or Dobson would be incredible adds.

Foudy to me is the top forward prospect on that list, he has Dylan Larkin written all over him.

I know Niku is LD but he's the best dman propect I see out there.

 

[Liver King]

They need a RD really badly, Fabbro and or Dobson would be incredible adds.

Foudy to me is the top forward prospect on that list, he has Dylan Larkin written all over him.

Dont think theres a chance we get Dobson. That would be fantastic though. We do need another RHD prospect

Wee should leave this (if it is a complete tear down) with 5 1st round picks in the next two drafts.

If you cant get the dman you want - draft one and/or trade for one

If we lose the 3 guys - we will need high end forward prospects just as much