Rumor: Trade Rumors/Proposals/Free Agents 2017-2018 | Part II

[Sens of Anarchy]

Who the **** is Trevor Shackles

Don't take it personally. He's not talking about you although that could be confusing I am sure.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Belleville is full:

????? - Chlapik - Batherson
Perron - Brown - Rodewald
Luchuk - O'Brien - Gagne
Leier - Sexton - Sturtz
Scarfo

Wolanin - Jaros
Englund - Bergman
Sieloff - Burgdoefer
Lajoie, Erkamps

Gustavsson
McKenna
Hogberg

????? = whichever of Carey/Paul/McCormick doesn't stick in Ottawa

We shouldn't add anyone else. Would just push one of our young players down the depth chart, just like Sieloff (who shouldn't have been re-signed) will do to Englund/Lajoie.

I would think Brown has a decent chance of making the team in Ottawa. Unless Dorion does something differently we don't have a 2nd line centre.

Some of those players I listed might be worth a camp invite as they are recent draft picks who have finished their ELC's. At least a few of them could still turn things around and maybe even become decent NHL players at some point. One player I am fascinated about is Hunter Smith. He is a big forward at 6'7 and 225 lbs. He was drafted as an overager where he put up 40 points in 64 games and then 11 points in 12 games in the playoffs. After he got drafted he followed up by putting up 49 points in 57 games played and 18 points in 21 games in the playoffs. He also played a nasty physical game. He looked like he could be something like Chara-lite but as a forward.

Big forwards take a while to develop so he could still be a work in progress. I am not sure what happened since he turned pro but he looks like Flames let him walk as a free agent. Are you familiar with his development so far and what he has struggled with and why the flames let him walk? Maybe he is worth another shot in Bellville.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I know, I know, who the hell is Mike McIntyre?

 

[toxic poster]

Winnipeg in a crunch for sure. Morrissey they should be trying to lock up long term, won't give them much space I don't think but I'm not adding up the totals rn

 

[Six Assets]

Winnipeg in a crunch for sure. Morrissey they should be trying to lock up long term, won't give them much space I don't think but I'm not adding up the totals rn

gotta get laine a contract too after next season

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

gotta get laine a contract too after next season

and Wheeler (UFA) and Connor (RFA) and Roslovic (RFA) and Myers (UFA)

 

[Burrowsaurus]

This is true like 9.5/10 though

Right. Which proves my point. It’s not always true. And that applies to everything.

(I think 95% is a bit high.

 

[Tremblay31]

I don’t get Dorion’s plan to not tell anyone what the Sens intend on doing. I know he said it’s because he doesn’t want to tip his hand, but that doesn’t help sell tickets. The fans want to know what the plan is. Assuming there is one. It’s been deathly quiet all summer so far.

same feeling here ....

 

[NyQuil]

I would think Brown has a decent chance of making the team in Ottawa. Unless Dorion does something differently we don't have a 2nd line centre.

I remember when we all had Alexei Kaigorodov pencilled in as our #2 centre in the off season.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Turris said there was never a 6 year offer on the table.

Yes, we know that, but Turris was asking for 6.5 x 6 from Ottawa, but eventually settled for 6 x 6 in Nashville, but I don't recall that Turris said Ottawa's counter was?

 

[Micklebot]

Turris was reported to have been asking Ottawa for 6.5 x 6

When was that reported? All I saw was he wanted a 7 or 8 year deal, and Ottawa didn't, and that a 6 year deal was never on the table.

 

[robsenz]

I remember when we all had Alexei Kaigorodov pencilled in as our #2 centre in the off season.

Maybe we can convince another team that he is and swap him for a decent player again.

 

[Shruggs Peterson]

Yes, we know that, but Turris was asking for 6.5 x 6 from Ottawa, but eventually settled for 6 x 6 in Nashville, but I don't recall that Turris said Ottawa's counter was?

If that were true then Turris would be a Senator right now.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

I remember when we all had Alexei Kaigorodov pencilled in as our #2 centre in the off season.

Dark days that. What did we finish that year? 1st overall in the standings?

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Dark days that. What did we finish that year? 1st overall in the standings?

That was in 2007 so we finished 4th in the East if I remember correctly. We traded Kaigarodov to Arizona for Comrie around January?

Unless I am getting mixed up in my "Russian prospects who never played for Ottawa" of course.

 

[Peptic Balcers]

Right. Which proves my point. It’s not always true. And that applies to everything.

(I think 95% is a bit high.

Nah I think its pretty bang on that we're talking out of our arses most of the time lol

 

[BloodRedArmy]

Yes, we know that, but Turris was asking for 6.5 x 6 from Ottawa, but eventually settled for 6 x 6 in Nashville, but I don't recall that Turris said Ottawa's counter was?

Nope

 

[Langdon Alger]

That was in 2007 so we finished 4th in the East if I remember correctly. We traded Kaigarodov to Arizona for Comrie around January?

Unless I am getting mixed up in my "Russian prospects who never played for Ottawa" of course.

Nope, that’s correct. Kaigorodov didn’t play that much for us that year I don’t think. Or at least he didn’t get a lot of minutes. I seem to remember him being on the fourth line most of the time.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

It was blatantly obvious that Dorion was using the unrealistic 5 year term to stall the Turris deal in order to buy time to consummate the Duchene trade. Whether he would have circled back and negotiated with Turris in good faith had a Duchene deal completely fallen through, I don't know. Turris' camp clearly knew what was going on since they tried to use pressure tactics and claimed they wouldn't negotiate a deal in season. They obviously changed their mind about that stance as Turris negotiated a deal with Nashville in order to facilitate a trade and end the entire ordeal.

The Senators digging in at 5 years with Turris' side also apparently never putting 6 years on the table is probably as healthy of an indication that we're going to get showing that one or both sides weren't attempting to participate in a proper negotiation.

We could not have fit Duchene in under our budget with Turris making 4.5M this past season. We would have had to make a series of trades to fit both players in during 16-17, let alone long term. Looking forward, it would have been unreasonable to expect us to fit Turris, Duchene, Stone, and Karlsson in under Melnyk's budget. Karlsson might end up traded to a different team in the short future, but I'm not sure it's reasonable to expect that Dorion would have been planning for a Karlsson trade in the summer of 2017 before the entire shit storm of our 2017-18 season kicked off. (Although one GM apparently did call him on Karlsson that summer.)

This does not mean that Turris would have signed a six year deal here, or that he would have signed as team friendly of a deal as he signed in Nashville here. Turris' contract with Nashville had no signing bonuses, no trade protection, and was on the low end for term and AAV for a 25 goal 55-65 point C who was previously playing 1st line minutes. Turris was in a position where because Dorion was never negotiating in good faith, if Turris wanted the upper end of his market value to stay in Ottawa, or wanted to leave entirely, we'll never know. This isn't to say Turris wanted to leave, but there'll never be an opportunity for him to look like the bad guy here because Dorion dumped him before he would have ever had the chance to dump us.

As far as "lol"gate goes. Which was Julie Turris replying "lol" to a Tweet reporting Pierre Dorion's statement that Mr.Melnyk does not make the hockey decisions. While it's been documented by those like Elliott Friedman that Melnyk is very hands on by the owner, we don't know the context of Melnyk's interference in a possible Turris extension. We also don't know the context of the inference to Kyle Turris (or his people) that ownership was preventing an extension. This makes it hard to evaluate the situation, because there are too many blank spaces. Was it direct interference with Melnyk specifically being unwilling to allow Dorion to commit long term to Kyle Turris? Or was it indirect, as in Dorion could not commit long term to Kyle Turris not because Melnyk's (at the time 68M) budget made Turris the odd man out if Dorion wanted to complete a transaction for Matt Duchene?

 

[armani]

I remember when we all had Alexei Kaigorodov pencilled in as our #2 centre in the off season.

Those were the good ol' days with Alfie still here and Melnyk being a franchise saviour as opposed to the cheap blood sucking staff tip stashing binge drinking fan donated new liver evil turn.

 

[Flamingo]

Those were the good ol' days with Alfie still here and Melnyk being a franchise saviour as opposed to the cheap blood sucking staff tip stashing binge drinking fan donated new liver evil turn.

We made all those worst timeline jokes, little did we know. The only solution is to timeline-hop and hijack one of the better timelines.

 

[Ray Kinsella]

If that were true then Turris would be a Senator right now.

Kyle Turris = great karma

 

[Ray Kinsella]

Kyle Turris = great karma

Why the heck is it saying the video is no longer available... I just watched it

Edit: I guess it worked in the end... gotta love technology... sometimes!

 

[KnuckChuckinTkachuk]

What could we offer to snag Nic Petan from the Jets? Their cap situation this year and next looks tight AF.

 

[HSF]

Nashville is gonna regret that Turris contract sheesh

Watching him in the playoffs reminded me why I didn't want him here longterm