Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread Part XIIV

[26Mats]

CLAUSE DETAILS: Lists 8 teams he can NOT be traded to

May be academic in the end, Neal may nix a deal.

Assuming he wouldn't, he doesn't fit where the Habs are going. He's not a great skater. He's got size and would be useful on the PP but the extra contract year and greater salary vs. Alzner makes him unpalatable.

Alzner can be buried and bought out. Why add another ball and chain.

yeah I'm against it.

The positive side is, for an extra 2 million in cap space (Alzner's contract is 1 million cheaper, plus we save about 1 million by having him in the minors), plus an extra year with a cap hit of 5.75 million, we get a player that up until this year, had a long track record of being, over an 82 game pace, a 25 goal, 45-50 point guy with size. Not bad for 2 million in cap space.

The negative side, and the reason I don't do it, is his age - what we see this year could easily be what we'll get for the next 4 years, given his age and that the game is getting faster.

 

[NobleSix]

I always thought it would be a fun thing to have all the eliminated teams announce trades throughout the playoffs.

Of course, the rationale against it is how those dealing now don't have the advantage of being able to shop with all NHL teams, however, there must be some teams that have working offers that they could now attempt to finalize.

I'd love to see a blockbuster trade during the playoffs.

That's my "looking for Sasquatch" in terms of NHL happenings for sure.

 

[cphabs]

Drouin and our 2nd for Ovenckin.

 

[The Great Weal]

I would LOVE to get Esa Lindell.

 

[26Mats]

Leafs in serious cap trouble with 68 million tied up in 9 players.

To MTL: Nylander, Marleau
To Tor: Paul Byron

 

[Gandalf The Habs Fan]

Does a Nylander-Drouin woud make sense...Tor need a playoff performer and save all the money they can and even if Im not a big Nylander fan, Drouin in Mtl is not gonna end well. I think we should trade him. Would you do it, does Toronto do it?

 

[Sterling Archer]

Leafs in serious cap trouble with 68 million tied up in 9 players.

To MTL: Nylander, Marleau
To Tor: Paul Byron

Nylander was a ghost this series. He’d be eaten alive here.

 

[26Mats]

Nylander was a ghost this series. He’d be eaten alive here.

It's a roll of the dice. He put up big numbers at a young age before this year - but playing with Matthews. I think he was just off from missing camp and his value is at an all time low. I'd sacrifice Byron to take a chance on him. But, I think the Leafs will get more for him - and I definitely think he's getting traded this summer.

 

[Miller Time]

The question was about a one for one:

To Calgary: Alzner
To Mtl: James Neal

So, your answer is no, you wouldn't do it.

Of course, if we start adding pieces, then it becomes an Armia deal, which is a whole other question.

My bad, didn't see the previous posts...

Yes, clearly a 1-for-1 doesn't make much sense because we have no pressing need to free up Alzner's dead cap space & it only makes sense if we are leveraging Calgary's need by getting assets in the process.

The "Armia" type deals are exactly what we should be focused on this summer & upcoming season.

 

[CapSpace]

Does a Nylander-Drouin woud make sense...Tor need a playoff performer and save all the money they can and even if Im not a big Nylander fan, Drouin in Mtl is not gonna end well. I think we should trade him. Would you do it, does Toronto do it?

Not trading for that soft ass overpaid bum and I'm not even talking about Drouin.

 

[webersshot]

Does a Nylander-Drouin woud make sense...Tor need a playoff performer and save all the money they can and even if Im not a big Nylander fan, Drouin in Mtl is not gonna end well. I think we should trade him. Would you do it, does Toronto do it?

No. Drouins a better player. I believe in him. And he makes like 5 million. Keep him

 

[mols47]

Leafs in serious cap trouble with 68 million tied up in 9 players.

To MTL: Nylander, Marleau
To Tor: Paul Byron

Did you not watch the playoffs? Guy is soft AF and can't take a hit to make a play. Do not want!

 

[No More Subban]

Leafs in serious cap trouble with 68 million tied up in 9 players.

To MTL: Nylander, Marleau
To Tor: Paul Byron

I would never help them with their cap issues.

 

[No More Subban]

The question was about a one for one:

To Calgary: Alzner
To Mtl: James Neal

So, your answer is no, you wouldn't do it.

Of course, if we start adding pieces, then it becomes an Armia deal, which is a whole other question.

Thats crazy. I just suggested that to a coworker.

I'd totally do it!

 

[26Mats]

I would never help them with their cap issues.

If you believe Nylander just had a bad year after missing camp, but will be a consistent 25-30 goal scorer and 60 point guy for years to come, I think it's clearly worth it. He's only 22.

 

[No More Subban]

If you believe Nylander just had a bad year after missing camp, but will be a consistent 25-30 goal scorer and 60 point guy for years to come, I think it's clearly worth it. He's only 22.

I'm gonna pass. They have to make room for Suzuki anyway. I'd rather gamble on a rookie over Nylander+contract

 

[26Mats]

I'm gonna pass. They have to make room for Suzuki anyway. I'd rather gamble on a rookie over Nylander+contract

I know where you're coming from. But, in my books there's no rush to make room for our waiver eligible players. If it comes down to adding good pieces for the present and future versus reserving spots for Suzuki, and even KK and Poehling, I'd rather add the pieces. I have zero doubt that Suzuki, Poehling, and KK could learn a lot and develop well playing 20 minutes a night in all situations in Laval - if we're stacked in Montreal. Then, next year, or mid way through this year, you trade players for assets (I would love to have multiple 1sts and 2nds in the coming drafts) to make room for them if they're knocking the door down.

 

[sampollock]

do not sign Gardner, he sucks bad......

 

[No More Subban]

I know where you're coming from. But, in my books there's no rush to make room for our waiver eligible players. If it comes down to adding good pieces for the present and future versus reserving spots for Suzuki, and even KK and Poehling, I'd rather add the pieces. I have zero doubt that Suzuki, Poehling, and KK could learn a lot and develop well playing 20 minutes a night in all situations in Laval - if we're stacked in Montreal. Then, next year, or mid way through this year, you trade players for assets (I would love to have multiple 1sts and 2nds in the coming drafts) to make room for them if they're knocking the door down.

7 million for the next 5 years is just too much for me. It makes me kinda feel bad for Gallagher.

And trading for him after not resigning Radulov is just a little hard for me to accept.

Domi will also need to be resigned by 2020-21. I'd give him a Nylander type-contract.

 

[26Mats]

7 million for the next 5 years is just too much for me. It makes me kinda feel bad for Gallagher.

And trading for him after not resigning Radulov is just a little hard for me to accept.

Domi will also need to be resigned by 2020-21. I'd give him a Nylander type-contract.

I hear you. But is the fact that Gallagher is way under payed reason to not add other good players, let's say that are paid at or a little above their worth but bring offense? Nylander may become a 25 goal 70 point guy.

And imo, Gallagher is worth at least 7 million...

If Domi keeps playing like this, imo, he may even be worth 8 or 9.

But I get your point.

At any rate I think the Leafs could get a good young D for Nylander, or hold on to him to see if he can get back to 20 goals and 60 points and then have better trade value. Leafs would probably want at least Juulsen for Nylander, and then get rid of Marleau's contract in a separate transaction.

 

[Fazkovsky]

I dont see Nylander being a dominant player. He is a 50-60 pts player imp but for Drouin I would do it

 

[A Loyal Dog]

Leafs in serious cap trouble with 68 million tied up in 9 players.

To MTL: Nylander, Marleau
To Tor: Paul Byron

f*** it, I'd do it. Just because Nylander will be great trade bait.

 

[Deebs]

I dont see Nylander being a dominant player. He is a 50-60 pts player imp but for Drouin I would do it

Drouin and Nylander are the same player. I'll keep the cheaper one

 

[Scriptor]

Does a Nylander-Drouin woud make sense...Tor need a playoff performer and save all the money they can and even if Im not a big Nylander fan, Drouin in Mtl is not gonna end well. I think we should trade him. Would you do it, does Toronto do it?

I'd rather try and trade Drouin for Ehlers and a pick, plus eat some cap space to help Win with its Cap situation.

Drouin + Petry at half price for Ehlers, Big Buff and a 2nd round pick. 4.85M difference between Petry at half price and Big Buff for the same two years term remaining. Another 500K difference between Drouin and Ehlers for a total savings of 5.35M. Certainly helps give WIN Cap room to re-sign their RFAs in the short term and MON isn't worse off for the Cap crunch after two more seasons than it would've been with Petry. Only, now, there won't be an issue with not re-signing Byfuglien where there might have been with not re-signing Petry.

 

[26Mats]

Nylander was a ghost this series. He’d be eaten alive here.

Pacioretty has been a ghost before in a series. Can't base a player's worth on 1 series. But, a bad series can really drive a player's value down.

It's great to buy low - the problem is you have to know which players have low value now, but will go way up in the future. That's what happened when we signed Radulov, and traded for Domi and Tatar. I would have also liked to have gotten Skinner and Perron this past summer because they also seemed to be undervalued.