Proposal: Trade proposal part IV

[40 STANLEYCUPS NOT24]

It is time to put in an offer for Muzzin that LA won't refuse. I'd even consider taking on Phaneuf if they took Alzner as part of the deal. That left side is in dire need of a guy that can play NHL minutes.

I like the idea of Muzzin, IF......they want next to nothing for him. Phaneuf was a good player many years ago, but recall he was getting bad while he was still with Ottawa, so NO on him. Question. Could the very rich Canadiens send Alzner to a team for next to nothing, along with all the money to pay his contract, as long as the team he is traded to accepts his entire cap hit??

 

[malton]

I like the idea of Muzzin, IF......they want next to nothing for him. Phaneuf was a good player many years ago, but recall he was getting bad while he was still with Ottawa, so NO on him. Question. Could the very rich Canadiens send Alzner to a team for next to nothing, along with all the money to pay his contract, as long as the team he is traded to, accepts his entire cap hit??

Don't think you're allowed to trade cash in the NHL.

 

[sampollock]

MB needs to address the d,
All the experimental sidekicks for Weber is over

 

[40 STANLEYCUPS NOT24]

Mediocre? Fair enough...let's stick with Kulak, Benn, Schlemko, and Reilly. Maybe Alzner and Mete can be recalled if we need a boost. If Muzzin is mediocre, what are the guys currently on our left side classified as?

You make very good points....VERY GOOD !...lol.

 

[40 STANLEYCUPS NOT24]

Too bad we dont still have PK. We could have offered him for Tarasenko

Ha ha ha ha. That was a classic fleece of the Predators. MAN MOUNTAIN is a REAL NHL defenceman. We should be able to FLEECE the Blues with other runty, players which we have FAR TOO MANY of, both on the current team, and in the minors.

 

[40 STANLEYCUPS NOT24]

Naslund, Koivu, Savard..

BUILT, and BROUGHT up much tougher, in that era. Also, there were more of the smaller player type during Savard's, and Naslund's time especially.

 

[Adriatic]

It's really time to trade for a left defenseman. Not a short term solution, a real d that can play 22-25 min on the first pair and someone that is young enough that he will be here for the long term. They have good young nhl players, they have good young prospects, they have all their draft picks and they have a lot of cap space. Bergevin really has all the chips to go out and get a real solution for the defense.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

It's really time to trade for a left defenseman. Not a short term solution, a real d that can play 22-25 min on the first pair and someone that is young enough that he will be here for the long term. They have good young nhl players, they have good young prospects, they have all their draft picks and they have a lot of cap space. Bergevin really has all the chips to go out and get a real solution for the defense.

several teams are looking for 1 atm

i dont think habs should waste value this season

instead they should sell high on players like Petry , shaw and tatar.

Habs def problems are more than 1 trade away to be fixed

 

[John B]

several teams are looking for 1 atm

i dont think habs should waste value this season

instead they should sell high on players like Petry , shaw and tatar.

Habs def problems are more than 1 trade away to be fixed

Agree 100%. Keep the rebuild going adding pieces that will help us 2-3 years from now when this team should be ready to be a contender (if the right moves are made).

 

[Vachon23]

It needs help for what? What is a mediocre player like Muzzin going to achieve?

Last year Muzzin had 42 pts( his best in career) 170 hits, playing 21:30 AAV

There ALOTE of mediocre defenseman in this league if Muzzin is mediocre !

 

[Adriatic]

Agree 100%. Keep the rebuild going adding pieces that will help us 2-3 years from now when this team should be ready to be a contender (if the right moves are made).

Not every trade has to be about the present only. It's possible to make trades that will benefit the present and the future. Trading for a first pairing defenseman young enough that will be with the team for the next 5-7 years does not necessarily mean you are sacrificing future success. Part of the advantage of having good young players in the nhl, having good young propects and accumulating a lot of draft picks is that you are able to sacrifice some of them for a trade that makes sense and that will address a major weakness on the team.

 

[John B]

Not every trade has to be about the present only. It's possible to make trades that will benefit the present and the future. Trading for a first pairing defenseman young enough that will be with the team for the next 5-7 years does not necessarily mean you are sacrificing future success. Part of the advantage of having good young players in the nhl, having good young propects and accumulating a lot of draft picks is that you are able to sacrifice some of them for a trade that makes sense and that will address a major weakness on the team.

I don't have a problem with adding a player in his early 20's. I'm not selling the farm for him though. Any player that young that has the potential to have the kind of impact that this team needs is going to be very expensive. The price has to be right.

 

[Mrb1p]

Not every trade has to be about the present only. It's possible to make trades that will benefit the present and the future. Trading for a first pairing defenseman young enough that will be with the team for the next 5-7 years does not necessarily mean you are sacrificing future success. Part of the advantage of having good young players in the nhl, having good young propects and accumulating a lot of draft picks is that you are able to sacrifice some of them for a trade that makes sense and that will address a major weakness on the team.

Like which LD ?

Muzzin is 30, he's already slowing down and he's not an elite player, he's not going to play until he's 38.

 

[The Great Weal]

Alrighty.

Jeff Petry and Tatar for Anton Lindell, Hintz/Gurianov, tenqvist and a 1st.

Lindell is 23, already a top four LD and hes solid defensively. Perfect partner for Weber. Only problem is thag Lindell is RFA at the end of the year.

The first is going to be top 15.

Yuck.

That first won't be top 15 when we send Tatar AND Petry to them.

 

[Mrb1p]

Yuck.

That first won't be top 15 when we send Tatar AND Petry to them.

So what ? We get a 23 year old LD that is currently playing better than Petry defensively, that can chip in and a potential 2nd line forward on top of it.

Gotta give to get, this team isn't going nowhere right now, if the Stars offer me Lindell for Petry Id do that swap anytime, the rest is just gravy.

 

[CapSpace]

How about a 3 way trade :

To MTL : Muzzin
To TOR : Petry
To LAK : 1st (TOR) + prospect

Pieces can be added.

 

[habsfan891]

MB needs to address the d,
All the experimental sidekicks for Weber is over

The best way to address the left d imo is to trade for a mid 1st round pick and pick the best avaialable left d along with the best forward with our own pick

 

[Adriatic]

I don't see how else you're going to address #1 LD if not by trade. They don't have one on the team now, they don't have one in the ahl, they don't have a prospect for that position and we probably won't draft one. If one is hypothetically available, now that we have all the chips necessary to make that kind of trade you have to do it.

 

[The Great Weal]

So what ? We get a 23 year old LD that is currently playing better than Petry defensively, that can chip in and a potential 2nd line forward on top of it.

Gotta give to get, this team isn't going nowhere right now, if the Stars offer me Lindell for Petry Id do that swap anytime, the rest is just gravy.

Great so let's trade a forward on pace for 60 points and a dman who is top 10 in points for dmen who is also on pace for a 60 point season. Lindell is actually 24 and while he is a top 4 dman, he is in no way close to Petry. Hintz is 22 years old and still in the AHL. He's got ways to go before becoming a top 6 player in the NHL. Same goes for Gurianov, except he is 21.

We are giving a lot and we are receiving very little. You don't trade a #2 dman and a top 6 forward producing near 1st line numbers for Lindell and a bunch of junk. That 1st will not be middle of the pack either when we gift them these two players. Oh and these guys are on bargains for contracts.

We better be getting a 1st+A prospect+something else for Petry. We better be getting a 1st+good prospect for Tatar.

 

[Zorba]

How about a 3 way trade :

To MTL : Muzzin
To TOR : Petry
To LAK : 1st (TOR) + prospect

Pieces can be added.

Trading Petry for muzzin is completely counterproductive

 

[Yoshidas Island]

Great so let's trade a forward on pace for 60 points and a dman who is top 10 in points for dmen who is also on pace for a 60 point season. Lindell is actually 24 and while he is a top 4 dman, he is in no way close to Petry. Hintz is 22 years old and still in the AHL. He's got ways to go before becoming a top 6 player in the NHL. Same goes for Gurianov, except he is 23.

We are giving a lot and we are receiving very little. You don't trade a #2 dman and a top 6 forward producing near 1st line numbers for Lindell and a bunch of junk. That 1st will not be middle of the pack either when we gift them these two players. Oh and these guys are on bargains for contracts.

We better be getting a 1st+A prospect+something else for Petry. We better be getting a 1st+good prospect for Tatar.

Agreed, but Gurianov is 21, would be a good piece to get overall.

 

[Mario Lemieux fan 66]

Habs need to contend a top pair LHD, upgrade on the 2nd line center and another gamebreaking winger

Rebuild: trade Weber or Petry + 2 of Byron, Tatar, Shaw. The plan is to tank this year and to contend 3 or 4 years from now when Kotkaniemi, Suzuki, Poehling, Brook, the LHD in the Petry or Weber trade and this year pick will be near impact players with Drouin, Domi, Gallagher, Lehkonen, Juulsen and Weber and Price still effective.

A rebuild or a re-tool seems unlikely if the Habs are in a playoff spot at the deadline. But the Rivet trade and the Tatar trade make you dream of what the return could be for Petry this year. Plus with the expansion draft coming soon it would make sense to trade Weber or Petry when Juulsen and Brook are our best d-men prospects.

In a Weber or Petry trade you get your potential top pair LHD + pick in a Tatar, Byron or Shaw trade you get 1 or 2nd round pick + prospect.

You hope that next year Brook can de a 2nd pair d-man and Suzuki can be a top nine winger. With the money save you can sign a top UFA d-man or forward. But usally UFA Don't sign on a re-tooling team unless it's the best offer they can get.

Contend in the next 3 years with Petry and Weber: You trade for a LHD and a game Breaking winger with 2 + years left on their contract. 1st round pick, Mete, one of Byron, Lehkonen or Suzuki or Poehling and 2nd round pick are your trade chips.

It could work but the Habs would be 1 injury away (Price, Weber, Domi, the top pair LHD) to have emptied the prospect pool for Nothing.

The rebuild might be the safest option bit it won't happen if the Habs are in a playoff spot. I think we will trade Mete a 2nd round pick + Lehkonen to get Weber a Partner.

 

[CapSpace]

Trading Petry for muzzin is completely counterproductive

No it's not.

Muzzin-Weber
Kulak-Juulsen
Rielly-Mete

Now you can have a real top 2 with first pairing left and righ handed guys.

 

[The Great Weal]

Agreed, but Gurianov is 21, would be a good piece to get overall.

I thought he was 23 for some reason, my bad

 

[Zorba]

No it's not.

Muzzin-Weber
Kulak-Juulsen
Rielly-Mete

Now you can have a real top 2 with first pairing left and righ handed guys.

No look at your second pairing
Ouch