Proposal: Trade Mason

[Juicy Pop]

That may very well be true, but it isn't an accurate representation of his holistic contribution to the team since he's been here. It doesn't matter if he has a great 5v5 save percentage if he sucks on the pk so badly that it drives his total save percentage to a below-average level.

His PK stat line was certainly awful, but one should expect a high amount of variance when dealing with low sample sizes.

The argument that his play was particularly shaky on the PK, in comparison to his ES play, is therefore highly fragile.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Holly balls. This thread is an absolute disaster.

What we need is to somehow find a gif of a fart in a revolving door - there are two threads which are essentially that. And we need a tornado emoticon to sticky to the thread title to warn people they are entering a whirlpool of gas.

EDIT: This is the closest I could find. Lionel Richie - who is basically a human-sized fart - and a revolving door.

 

[PALE PWNR]

I already agreed that he had one good year, how about doing that for career save percentage?

But why?

.935 S% in game 1 of the Caps series, we can all agree that that is acceptable. The Flyers did not score a goal.

.826 S% in game 2. 1st goal, PowerPlay (Washington is #1 in this category by the way and has been for some time. Theyre good at it.) He's screened on a point shot from John Carlson, by TJ Oshie, Marcus Johansson and PEB, they almost form a straight line in front of him.

Goal #2 is the infamous half ice tip. It's a bad goal. It happens, I'm not writing it off, it really is a terrible goal and shouldn't happen in the playoffs especially. But such is life. **** happens.

Goal #3 Another PP goal. This time from the greatest goal scorer since Bobby Hull in his sweet spot on a cross ice pass from below the goal line in the corner.

Goal #4 is Nicklas Backstrom ripping an uncontested wrist shot from the left dot on a 3 on 2 rush. Ghost gives him a little room and he makes it count. You can call this a bad goal if you'd like. It's a super star with a great shot placing a great shot from in tight on his off wing. I don't think its that bad, it's probably debatable though.

.788 S% in Game #3

Goal #1. Power Play

Goal #2. It's Ovi, it's not a great shot. Probably should have had it.

Goal #3. Another Power Play goal. Off the glass hops in front of Mason. A Bad line change and none of the Flyers defenders get back. Mini Breakaway's lose cups and Olympic Gold Medals.

Goal #4. Power Play. Look Familiar?

Goal #5. Power Play. Ovi. Sweet Spot. Courtesy of the fans in attendance.

Goal #6. Power Play. Pass from the corner to Beagle in front of the net. At this point the players are running around and the PK looks awful. They just want to get off the ice.

Neuvirth starts game 4. And Jonesey Jinx declares Mason terrible. Based on 8 Power Play goals against the best Power Play team in the league. And 3 non PP goals 2 from Ovechkin. This right here is why we are going to trade Mason right? These 3 games. Those 11 goals. Forget everything else. Forget that he is 2nd all time for this Franchise in Save Percentage to Roman Cechmanek who only has 10 more games for the Flyers than he does and only played here in the middle of the Dead Puck Era. Forget that he came in and immediately stabilized a position of need for the first time since the mid 90s. No, hes trash. He can't stop Ovechkin One Timers or see through 4 bodies on point shots in 3 games.

Here are some career numbers for you.

Save Percentages

1. Roman Cechmanek .923
2. Steve Mason .921
3. Martin Biron .915
4. Sergei Bobrovsky .909
5. Ilya Bryzgalov .905
6. Brian Boucher .904
7. John Vanbiesbrouck .904
8. Antero Niittymaki .901
9. Ray Emery .901
10. Robert Esche .901

Shots Against

1. Ron Hextall 13036
2. Steve Mason 5058
3. Antero Niittymaki 4596
4. Brian Boucher 4159
5. Martin Biron 4092
6. Roman Cechmanek 3963
7. Dominic Roussel 3796
8. Robert Esche 3161
9. Bob Froese 3111
10. Pelle Lindbergh 3094

Goals Against

1. Ron Hextall 1367
2. Bernie Parent* 1141
3. Doug Favell 559
4. Pete Peeters 532
5. Pelle Lindbergh 503
6. Antero Niittymaki 454
7. Wayne Stephenson 424
8. Brian Boucher 399
9. Dominic Roussel 398
10. Steve Mason 397

Now run along and go listen to Missanelli or Innes or some other lunatic on the radio who has no idea what hes talking about when it comes to hockey.

 

[Beef Invictus]

But he played for Columbus!

 

[Rebels57]

But why?

.935 S% in game 1 of the Caps series, we can all agree that that is acceptable. The Flyers did not score a goal.

.826 S% in game 2. 1st goal, PowerPlay (Washington is #1 in this category by the way and has been for some time. Theyre good at it.) He's screened on a point shot from John Carlson, by TJ Oshie, Marcus Johansson and PEB, they almost form a straight line in front of him.

Goal #2 is the infamous half ice tip. It's a bad goal. It happens, I'm not writing it off, it really is a terrible goal and shouldn't happen in the playoffs especially. But such is life. **** happens.

Goal #3 Another PP goal. This time from the greatest goal scorer since Bobby Hull in his sweet spot on a cross ice pass from below the goal line in the corner.

Goal #4 is Nicklas Backstrom ripping an uncontested wrist shot from the left dot on a 3 on 2 rush. Ghost gives him a little room and he makes it count. You can call this a bad goal if you'd like. It's a super star with a great shot placing a great shot from in tight on his off wing. I don't think its that bad, it's probably debatable though.

.788 S% in Game #3

Goal #1. Power Play

Goal #2. It's Ovi, it's not a great shot. Probably should have had it.

Goal #3. Another Power Play goal. Off the glass hops in front of Mason. A Bad line change and none of the Flyers defenders get back. Mini Breakaway's lose cups and Olympic Gold Medals.

Goal #4. Power Play. Look Familiar?

Goal #5. Power Play. Ovi. Sweet Spot. Courtesy of the fans in attendance.

Goal #6. Power Play. Pass from the corner to Beagle in front of the net. At this point the players are running around and the PK looks awful. They just want to get off the ice.

Neuvirth starts game 4. And Jonesey Jinx declares Mason terrible. Based on 8 Power Play goals against the best Power Play team in the league. And 3 non PP goals 2 from Ovechkin. This right here is why we are going to trade Mason right? These 3 games. Those 11 goals. Forget everything else. Forget that he is 2nd all time for this Franchise in Save Percentage to Roman Cechmanek who only has 10 more games for the Flyers than he does and only played here in the middle of the Dead Puck Era. Forget that he came in and immediately stabilized a position of need for the first time since the mid 90s. No, hes trash. He can't stop Ovechkin One Timers or see through 4 bodies on point shots in 3 games.

Here are some career numbers for you.

Save Percentages

1. Roman Cechmanek .923
2. Steve Mason .921
3. Martin Biron .915
4. Sergei Bobrovsky .909
5. Ilya Bryzgalov .905
6. Brian Boucher .904
7. John Vanbiesbrouck .904
8. Antero Niittymaki .901
9. Ray Emery .901
10. Robert Esche .901

Shots Against

1. Ron Hextall 13036
2. Steve Mason 5058
3. Antero Niittymaki 4596
4. Brian Boucher 4159
5. Martin Biron 4092
6. Roman Cechmanek 3963
7. Dominic Roussel 3796
8. Robert Esche 3161
9. Bob Froese 3111
10. Pelle Lindbergh 3094

Goals Against

1. Ron Hextall 1367
2. Bernie Parent* 1141
3. Doug Favell 559
4. Pete Peeters 532
5. Pelle Lindbergh 503
6. Antero Niittymaki 454
7. Wayne Stephenson 424
8. Brian Boucher 399
9. Dominic Roussel 398
10. Steve Mason 397

Now run along and go listen to Missanelli or Innes or some other lunatic on the radio who has no idea what hes talking about when it comes to hockey.

Bra-****ing- vo!!

 

[David St Hubbins]

 

[PensBrony 6 9*]

But why?

.935 S% in game 1 of the Caps series, we can all agree that that is acceptable. The Flyers did not score a goal.

.826 S% in game 2. 1st goal, PowerPlay (Washington is #1 in this category by the way and has been for some time. Theyre good at it.) He's screened on a point shot from John Carlson, by TJ Oshie, Marcus Johansson and PEB, they almost form a straight line in front of him.

Goal #2 is the infamous half ice tip. It's a bad goal. It happens, I'm not writing it off, it really is a terrible goal and shouldn't happen in the playoffs especially. But such is life. **** happens.

Goal #3 Another PP goal. This time from the greatest goal scorer since Bobby Hull in his sweet spot on a cross ice pass from below the goal line in the corner.

Goal #4 is Nicklas Backstrom ripping an uncontested wrist shot from the left dot on a 3 on 2 rush. Ghost gives him a little room and he makes it count. You can call this a bad goal if you'd like. It's a super star with a great shot placing a great shot from in tight on his off wing. I don't think its that bad, it's probably debatable though.

.788 S% in Game #3

Goal #1. Power Play

Goal #2. It's Ovi, it's not a great shot. Probably should have had it.

Goal #3. Another Power Play goal. Off the glass hops in front of Mason. A Bad line change and none of the Flyers defenders get back. Mini Breakaway's lose cups and Olympic Gold Medals.

Goal #4. Power Play. Look Familiar?

Goal #5. Power Play. Ovi. Sweet Spot. Courtesy of the fans in attendance.

Goal #6. Power Play. Pass from the corner to Beagle in front of the net. At this point the players are running around and the PK looks awful. They just want to get off the ice.

Neuvirth starts game 4. And Jonesey Jinx declares Mason terrible. Based on 8 Power Play goals against the best Power Play team in the league. And 3 non PP goals 2 from Ovechkin. This right here is why we are going to trade Mason right? These 3 games. Those 11 goals. Forget everything else. Forget that he is 2nd all time for this Franchise in Save Percentage to Roman Cechmanek who only has 10 more games for the Flyers than he does and only played here in the middle of the Dead Puck Era. Forget that he came in and immediately stabilized a position of need for the first time since the mid 90s. No, hes trash. He can't stop Ovechkin One Timers or see through 4 bodies on point shots in 3 games.

Here are some career numbers for you.

Save Percentages

1. Roman Cechmanek .923
2. Steve Mason .921
3. Martin Biron .915
4. Sergei Bobrovsky .909
5. Ilya Bryzgalov .905
6. Brian Boucher .904
7. John Vanbiesbrouck .904
8. Antero Niittymaki .901
9. Ray Emery .901
10. Robert Esche .901

Shots Against

1. Ron Hextall 13036
2. Steve Mason 5058
3. Antero Niittymaki 4596
4. Brian Boucher 4159
5. Martin Biron 4092
6. Roman Cechmanek 3963
7. Dominic Roussel 3796
8. Robert Esche 3161
9. Bob Froese 3111
10. Pelle Lindbergh 3094

Goals Against

1. Ron Hextall 1367
2. Bernie Parent* 1141
3. Doug Favell 559
4. Pete Peeters 532
5. Pelle Lindbergh 503
6. Antero Niittymaki 454
7. Wayne Stephenson 424
8. Brian Boucher 399
9. Dominic Roussel 398
10. Steve Mason 397

Now run along and go listen to Missanelli or Innes or some other lunatic on the radio who has no idea what hes talking about when it comes to hockey.

There are always going to be difficult shots to stop, it's the NHL. The difference between a good goalie and a bad one is largely their ability to stop the difficult ones. In Mason's case, it's a little different though considering he struggles to stop both difficult shots AND, often, routine ones. Your whole goal analysis looks persuasive until you think about the fact that you admit yourself that almost half of the goals depicted are at least borderline bad goals. If anything it speaks to what I'm saying. He makes those saves in the regular season but doesn't in the playoffs because he isn't mentally there. As far as it being a small sample size, one of the main factors behind that has been his poor play. His teams are out in the first round because he has an .800 save percentage. Again, throw him on LA, Chicago, or Pittsburgh and they'll struggle to get out of the first round with a goalie playing like that.

 

[Striiker]

You guys realize you're arguing with someone who doesn't watch Flyers games, right?

Just seems like a waste of time and effort to put that much work into convincing him of something he'd know by simply paying attention during games.

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

Nice write up PP.
Pretty much just factual evidence, unless you have an agenda to make Mason look bad.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

it doesn't matter who is in goal. Who ever is in goal they are going to have their detractors. Even goalies as good as Mason has been for the Flyers.
Could he have played better in the last 2 games he played? obviously. But to completely write him off as being terrible on 2 poor games is ****ing ridiculous.

 

[Tripod]

There are always going to be difficult shots to stop, it's the NHL. The difference between a good goalie and a bad one is largely their ability to stop the difficult ones. In Mason's case, it's a little different though considering he struggles to stop both difficult shots AND, often, routine ones. Your whole goal analysis looks persuasive until you think about the fact that you admit yourself that almost half of the goals depicted are at least borderline bad goals. If anything it speaks to what I'm saying. He makes those saves in the regular season but doesn't in the playoffs because he isn't mentally there. As far as it being a small sample size, one of the main factors behind that has been his poor play. His teams are out in the first round because he has an .800 save percentage. Again, throw him on LA, Chicago, or Pittsburgh and they'll struggle to get out of the first round with a goalie playing like that.

Maybe you need to actually look at a game by game basis for Mason in the playoffs:

.778 5 PP goals
.826 2 PP goals
.935
.939
.944
.857 0 PP goals
.941
1.000 only 3 shots

So he has had 3 bad games and 4 great games. But in those bad games, look at the PP goals. Interesting that those top 2 games were after Couts got hurt and we were playing the passive PK.

But no one is going to be able to convince you. You are stuck in your thought process. But because of this, expect people to come at you when you choose to ignore his 3+ years of work with the Flyers but instead want to bring his CBus days into it and only focus on 2 playoff games.

You: bad in CBus and 2 playoff games
Us: bad in CBus, great in Philly for 3+ years, 2 bad playoff game where PP goals killed the team.

 

[ILoveStephanieBrown]

Why does our fanbase hate good players? Giroux gets his hate, Richards and Carter got theirs, now Mason getting some. Do you not want to win?

 

[Juicy Pop]

There are always going to be difficult shots to stop, it's the NHL. The difference between a good goalie and a bad one is largely their ability to stop the difficult ones. In Mason's case, it's a little different though considering he struggles to stop both difficult shots AND, often, routine ones. Your whole goal analysis looks persuasive until you think about the fact that you admit yourself that almost half of the goals depicted are at least borderline bad goals. If anything it speaks to what I'm saying. He makes those saves in the regular season but doesn't in the playoffs because he isn't mentally there. As far as it being a small sample size, one of the main factors behind that has been his poor play. His teams are out in the first round because he has an .800 save percentage.Again, throw him on LA, Chicago, or Pittsburgh and they'll struggle to get out of the first round with a goalie playing like that.

I hope you realize that this attitude is part of the reason that we have had a goalie problem for so very long.

 

[Jack Straw]

Why does our fanbase hate good players? Giroux gets his hate, Richards and Carter got theirs, now Mason getting some. Do you not want to win?

It's not the fanbase in general, but there are always going to be people who think they have some profound insight that nobody else has, that they see things more clearly than everyone else. This phenomenon is especially common on internet forums.

 

[Lord Defect]

But why?

.935 S% in game 1 of the Caps series, we can all agree that that is acceptable. The Flyers did not score a goal.

.826 S% in game 2. 1st goal, PowerPlay (Washington is #1 in this category by the way and has been for some time. Theyre good at it.) He's screened on a point shot from John Carlson, by TJ Oshie, Marcus Johansson and PEB, they almost form a straight line in front of him.

Goal #2 is the infamous half ice tip. It's a bad goal. It happens, I'm not writing it off, it really is a terrible goal and shouldn't happen in the playoffs especially. But such is life. **** happens.

Goal #3 Another PP goal. This time from the greatest goal scorer since Bobby Hull in his sweet spot on a cross ice pass from below the goal line in the corner.

Goal #4 is Nicklas Backstrom ripping an uncontested wrist shot from the left dot on a 3 on 2 rush. Ghost gives him a little room and he makes it count. You can call this a bad goal if you'd like. It's a super star with a great shot placing a great shot from in tight on his off wing. I don't think its that bad, it's probably debatable though.

.788 S% in Game #3

Goal #1. Power Play

Goal #2. It's Ovi, it's not a great shot. Probably should have had it.

Goal #3. Another Power Play goal. Off the glass hops in front of Mason. A Bad line change and none of the Flyers defenders get back. Mini Breakaway's lose cups and Olympic Gold Medals.

Goal #4. Power Play. Look Familiar?

Goal #5. Power Play. Ovi. Sweet Spot. Courtesy of the fans in attendance.

Goal #6. Power Play. Pass from the corner to Beagle in front of the net. At this point the players are running around and the PK looks awful. They just want to get off the ice.

Neuvirth starts game 4. And Jonesey Jinx declares Mason terrible. Based on 8 Power Play goals against the best Power Play team in the league. And 3 non PP goals 2 from Ovechkin. This right here is why we are going to trade Mason right? These 3 games. Those 11 goals. Forget everything else. Forget that he is 2nd all time for this Franchise in Save Percentage to Roman Cechmanek who only has 10 more games for the Flyers than he does and only played here in the middle of the Dead Puck Era. Forget that he came in and immediately stabilized a position of need for the first time since the mid 90s. No, hes trash. He can't stop Ovechkin One Timers or see through 4 bodies on point shots in 3 games.

Here are some career numbers for you.

Save Percentages

1. Roman Cechmanek .923
2. Steve Mason .921
3. Martin Biron .915
4. Sergei Bobrovsky .909
5. Ilya Bryzgalov .905
6. Brian Boucher .904
7. John Vanbiesbrouck .904
8. Antero Niittymaki .901
9. Ray Emery .901
10. Robert Esche .901

Shots Against

1. Ron Hextall 13036
2. Steve Mason 5058
3. Antero Niittymaki 4596
4. Brian Boucher 4159
5. Martin Biron 4092
6. Roman Cechmanek 3963
7. Dominic Roussel 3796
8. Robert Esche 3161
9. Bob Froese 3111
10. Pelle Lindbergh 3094

Goals Against

1. Ron Hextall 1367
2. Bernie Parent* 1141
3. Doug Favell 559
4. Pete Peeters 532
5. Pelle Lindbergh 503
6. Antero Niittymaki 454
7. Wayne Stephenson 424
8. Brian Boucher 399
9. Dominic Roussel 398
10. Steve Mason 397

Now run along and go listen to Missanelli or Innes or some other lunatic on the radio who has no idea what hes talking about when it comes to hockey.

Can this get stickies somewhere please. Phenomenal write up.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Why does our fanbase hate good players? Giroux gets his hate, Richards and Carter got theirs, now Mason getting some. Do you not want to win?

It's silly. And it spans all sports.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I hope you realize that this attitude is part of the reason that we have had a goalie problem for so very long.

Yeah, I love how that reasoning entirely ignores the fact that if he were on those teams he'd have had more than 1 line, a better defense, and more goal support while also being better rested due to their healthy backup goalies.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Yeah, I love how that reasoning entirely ignores the fact that if he were on those teams he'd have had more than 1 line, a better defense, and more goal support while also being better rested due to their healthy backup goalies.

get outa here with ur crazy "logic"...

 

[PensBrony 6 9*]

You guys realize you're arguing with someone who doesn't watch Flyers games, right?

Just seems like a waste of time and effort to put that much work into convincing him of something he'd know by simply paying attention during games.

I do watch Flyers games and unfortunately in that process I was subjected to seeing Steve Mason give up the worst goal in the history of the NHL and basically end the series for them. Actually, it seems like I forgot who I was arguing with. I just remembered this is the same crew who was rooting for them to tank as they were making the playoff push last year. No wonder you want to keep this choke artist in net, it means a better shot at the lottery next year. Anyway, back to this goofy pictorial breakdown. By my count you have 2 of the 4 goals in game two as "stoppable" and in game three there just wasn't any effort to find the puck and make the save. Watch the actual video. That one that bounced in front of him was entirely his fault and a mental error along the same lines as the 100 foot rocket the game before. He missed catching it with his glove. A normal goalie makes most of those saves. He saw the shots and just didn't react. Anyway, I think he's a solid goalie during the season but he falls apart with any kind of pressure or negativity. He's putting up Bryzgalov/Burke/Bad Emery numbers in the playoffs. It's unacceptable. I'll call it right now: if they make the playoffs again this year, Neuvirth or whoever the backup is by then will end up starting at some point because of Mason's poor performance.

 

[PensBrony 6 9*]

Yeah, I love how that reasoning entirely ignores the fact that if he were on those teams he'd have had more than 1 line, a better defense, and more goal support while also being better rested due to their healthy backup goalies.

Actually, that was the entire point of my post. None of that stuff matters when the goalie has an .800 save percentage.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Actually, that was the entire point of my post. None of that stuff matters when the goalie has an .800 save percentage.

Henrik Lundqvist can't handle the pressure. When they were down 2-1 to Pittsburgh, he allowed 10 goals on 41 shots for a .731 SVPCT over the final 2 games. Forget the history. None of that matters when the goalie has an .800 SVPCT. He's Ilya Bryzgalov and you fools can't see it.

Am I doing it right or should I have thrown in a "should of started Talbot"?

 

[Striiker]

I do watch Flyers games and unfortunately in that process I was subjected to seeing Steve Mason give up the worst goal in the history of the NHL and basically end the series for them. Actually, it seems like I forgot who I was arguing with. I just remembered this is the same crew who was rooting for them to tank as they were making the playoff push last year. No wonder you want to keep this choke artist in net, it means a better shot at the lottery next year. Anyway, back to this goofy pictorial breakdown. By my count you have 2 of the 4 goals in game two as "stoppable" and in game three there just wasn't any effort to find the puck and make the save. Watch the actual video. That one that bounced in front of him was entirely his fault and a mental error along the same lines as the 100 foot rocket the game before. He missed catching it with his glove. A normal goalie makes most of those saves. He saw the shots and just didn't react. Anyway, I think he's a solid goalie during the season but he falls apart with any kind of pressure or negativity. He's putting up Bryzgalov/Burke/Bad Emery numbers in the playoffs. It's unacceptable. I'll call it right now: if they make the playoffs again this year, Neuvirth or whoever the backup is by then will end up starting at some point because of Mason's poor performance.

 

[PensBrony 6 9*]

Henrik Lundqvist can't handle the pressure. When they were down 2-1 to Pittsburgh, he allowed 10 goals on 41 shots for a .731 SVPCT over the final 2 games. Forget the history. None of that matters when the goalie has an .800 SVPCT. He's Ilya Bryzgalov and you fools can't see it.

Am I doing it right or should I have thrown in a "should of started Talbot"?

I haven't looked but I'm pretty sure Lundqvist doesn't have a career .890 something save percentage in the playoffs.

 

[PensBrony 6 9*]

Don't worry, you wouldn't have comprehended it anyway.

 

[Striiker]

Don't worry, you wouldn't have comprehended it anyway.