Get outta here with that 2nd!Flyers 11th Overall + 4th (from NSH) for Spurgeon + 2nd?
Get outta here with that 2nd!Flyers 11th Overall + 4th (from NSH) for Spurgeon + 2nd?
At a certain point you'd have to worry about actually hitting on all of those picks and having them all hit their 1st RFA contracts at the same time
Oh heavens, whatever would we do?At a certain point you'd have to worry about actually hitting on all of those picks and having them all hit their 1st RFA contracts at the same time
I don't disagree, though I think we also underestimate just how little we know about Fenton's opinions of any of the players he inherited. If he thinks he can use Spurgeon and Zucker to move this team in the direction he wants, I don't think he'll hesitate to do it. He seems utterly unconcerned with how history might judge him (which is a good thing, in my opinion).I think we underestimate how well regarded Spurgeon is by management, and IMO, rightfully so. GM's don't usually have time to trade top players for non top3 draft picks, in the hope that they develop into top players 5 years down the line. Those are the types of trades that get you fired 4 years down the line.
12oaI could see Fenton going for Nylander now that his value is as low as it is.
Can play both RW and C (RW is his 'main position' tho), and is right handed.
Had a big mistake yesterday, and after sitting out 1/3 of the season for an extra million and then go out and underperform all year might make them wanna part ways with him. Especially since they need cap space for Marner.
What would be fair value?
I wonder how well regarded Nylander is around the league. Overinvolved father, me first attitude, bad season, soft rep, big contract...he might be on a Black list for some teams. who needs to borrow trouble. Any trade for him would probably have to include one of Zucker or Spurgeon, and both make some sense for them.
If I was the Leafs dumping Kadri would be my 1st order of the day. What he did might've cost his team the playoffs.
I am kind of conflicted about Nylander. Just don't know if he's all that. He might have the physical talent, but his character makeup, on a scale of 1 to 10, is about a 4.
Zucker's is a 7. Spurgeon, a 9.
How is Zucker only a 7? You've heard about his off-ice stuff right?
How is Zucker only a 7? You've heard about his off-ice stuff right?
Other than Carly being hotter than fire, I’m not aware there was off-ice stuff with Zucker?
Other than Carly being hotter than fire, I’m not aware there was off-ice stuff with Zucker?
I'd buy Mrs. Spurgeon an island.
Other than Carly being hotter than fire, I’m not aware there was off-ice stuff with Zucker?
I'm talking on ice. I like Zucker, but he doesn't compare to Spurgeon in that regard. AFAIK, both guys are fine people off ice.How is Zucker only a 7? You've heard about his off-ice stuff right?
I'm talking on ice. I like Zucker, but he doesn't compare to Spurgeon in that regard.
I'm talking on ice. I like Zucker, but he doesn't compare to Spurgeon in that regard. AFAIK, both guys are fine people off ice.
People who show up and put in a consistent and excellent effort every game, year after year. Beliveau would be a 10. Spurgeon, IMO, it as good as it gets on the Wild. He is simply a courageous player, who almost always puts in a good game. He doesn't strike me as a particularly bright guy off ice, but on ice he is very smart, and can be depended upon to make the right play.I don't know how you can even begin to put a number to "on-ice character".
Oh, I would trade any of them but Greenway,KK, and the 12th. Fiala is like a poor man's Nylander who doesn't play C and is a LHS. Donato isn't in the same league as an athlete, and has a way lower ceiling. I think Nylander is the same age, and look what he has accomplished comparatively. Also a LHS who can't play C. Kunin would be tougher for me to trade, as he can play a bit of C and is a RHS, but I'd still move him.I wouldn’t mind acquiring him, but I wouldn’t trade any of 12oa, Greenway, Kunin, Donato, Fiala or Kaprizov to get it done.
I think his contract is structured in a way that he is paid a lot of money by mid summer. Would make the contract more attractive from a fiscal sense, though not cap wise. Agree that he is a risk, but if he is scoring 65-75 points as player in his early 20's, then he's not available, and with the recent escalation is salaries, sure as hell not for under 7M.Nylander himself is a poor mans Nylander right now. And he’s being paid like rich mans Nylander. I’m not touching that contract for anything of fair value until he proves he’s a 65-75 point player without Matthews and on a regular basis.
I think his contract is structured in a way that he is paid a lot of money by mid summer. Would make the contract more attractive from a fiscal sense, though not cap wise. Agree that he is a risk, but if he is scoring 65-75 points as player in his early 20's, then he's not available, and with the recent escalation is salaries, sure as hell not for under 7M.