Trade & Free Agency Talk XXX

[Dr Jan Itor]

Hello my friends. Spurgeon trade talks ramping up among Oiler fans, what would be a competitive market ask from us?

8th overall straight up, and figure out the salary stuff elsewhere.

Or, if you want to include salary, include another semi-valuable piece.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

If we could sign Hunt for 2yrs 825000k a year would you do it?

Yes.

 

[57special]

I still like Hunt as being a 4th line forward and a PP point man, though the latter is less important once Dumba comes back. I want him stapled to the PP. I wouldn't call Hunt solid, but he can move, and shoot the puck, as well as skate. I didn't think he got exposed in our end last year, but he has the potential to be a big liability back there. Significantly worse than Seeler and Pateryn. AND he is LH, which is not ideal.

Sekera/Russell and Puljujarvi? Why would we want that crap? Pulju at least, has a chance to be something in the future, but he is not looking good out there on the ice.

EDM...avoid. And we sure as hell don't send Spurgeon AND our 12th for their #8 + crap. Russell and Sekera are old LH, and can't stay on the ice.

 

[AKL]

I checked HFOil and saw a proposal of #8+Russell+Pulj for #12+Spurgeon. To try and salvage this deal... Minnesota removes #12 and it’s basically even value then. Russell really dampens the value of the other two pieces but it’s also understood that Edmonton needs to send cap.

Jesus that's so bad.

8+Manning+lower value piece for Spurgeon is the most I'd do if they want to send cap back. No chance I'd take Sekera or Russell.

 

[Bazeek]

Zucker's come up a few times on here among Arizona fans, both on the trade forum and their own boards. There was also the rumored deal last summer, so there might be real interest from Chayka as well. Of the teams I've seen discussed, they seem like one of the better dance partners if Zucker gone this summer.

Let's say we have a choice of two offers from Arizona.

1.) AZ's 2019 1st (#14)
2.) Christian Fischer and AZ's 2019 2nd (#45)​

Which do you prefer?

 

[DeagleJenkins]

Zucker's come up a few times on here among Arizona fans, both on the trade forum and their own boards. There was also the rumored deal last summer, so there might be real interest from Chayka as well. Of the teams I've seen discussed, they seem like one of the better dance partners if Zucker gone this summer.

Let's say we have a choice of two offers from Arizona.

1.) Ari's 2019 1st (#14)
2.) Christian Fischer and Ari's 2019 2nd (#45)​

Which do you prefer?

ill take their 1st.

 

[Bazeek]

ill take their 1st.

If it required that we send our 2nd back with Zucker, does it change your answer?

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

If it required that we send our 2nd back with Zucker, does it change your answer?

Not really. I’d want an additional 3rd though

 

[DeagleJenkins]

If it required that we send our 2nd back with Zucker, does it change your answer?

judging by the draft depth of 1st round talent, no not really.

 

[Bazeek]

judging by the draft depth of 1st round talent, no not really.

I'm getting a little caught up in that myself, though I have very little idea how any of these guys project. How likely is it that you draft a player at 14 that's better than Fischer has been in the OHL, AHL and NHL?

 

[DeagleJenkins]

I'm getting a little caught up in that myself, though I have very little idea how any of these guys project. How likely is it that you draft a player at 14 that's better than Fischer has been in the OHL, AHL and NHL?

Right away, maybe not as high but considering we could grab a future goalie in Knight or Lavoie who is bigger and younger with potentionally more upside, possible a Soderstrom to replace a Brodin trade? i dont know how good Fischer has been in the NHL outside of his stats. All i know is if things go as planned and we get a krebs or newhook at 12 and then say Boldy or a top D prospect at 14? id be pretty happy. or Boldy at 12 and newhook at 14. whichever way it plays out.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I'm getting a little caught up in that myself, though I have very little idea how any of these guys project. How likely is it that you draft a player at 14 that's better than Fischer has been in the OHL, AHL and NHL?

I like the combo of players that we could get at 12 and 14. Even if the draft goes completely chalk and all of the top centers are gone, we'd still have some pretty amazing options:

Could take the chance on Caufield (if he's still there) and still get a good center prospect in Newhook or Lavoie

Or skip Caufield and take 2 shots at a center with the two above

Or go Kaliyev + center

Or go center + Knight (goalie of the future)

 

[AKL]

Yeah I would take the 14 over Fischer. He’s kinda hit a wall it seems and I don’t know if he’ll ever be much more than a 40-50 guy. I’d rather take my chances on Kaliyev, Newhook, Lavoie, Knight, Caufield combo

 

[57special]

Zucker's come up a few times on here among Arizona fans, both on the trade forum and their own boards. There was also the rumored deal last summer, so there might be real interest from Chayka as well. Of the teams I've seen discussed, they seem like one of the better dance partners if Zucker gone this summer.

Let's say we have a choice of two offers from Arizona.

1.) AZ's 2019 1st (#14)
2.) Christian Fischer and AZ's 2019 2nd (#45)​

Which do you prefer?

#14 all day long.

 

[Bazeek]

I like the combo of players that we could get at 12 and 14. Even if the draft goes completely chalk and all of the top centers are gone, we'd still have some pretty amazing options:

Could take the chance on Caufield (if he's still there) and still get a good center prospect in Newhook or Lavoie

Or skip Caufield and take 2 shots at a center with the two above

Or go Kaliyev + center

Or go center + Knight (goalie of the future)

10-15 definitely seems to be an interesting range...

If you can get #14 for Zucker(+something not crazy?) and #8 or #11 for Spurgeon the idea of a "quick rebuild" starts to seem less ridiculous. It'd leave the team in a highly questionable state for next year, but I'm not sure we couldn't patch the holes with call-ups and free-agents. And if it all goes pear-shaped we end up with another lottery pick in 2020 and add Kaprizov the following fall.

I'm skeptical that Arizona would be all that keen on parting with their 1st two years after giving up #7 for Stepan, but I don't think it's crazy either.

 

[57special]

I like the combo of players that we could get at 12 and 14. Even if the draft goes completely chalk and all of the top centers are gone, we'd still have some pretty amazing options:

Could take the chance on Caufield (if he's still there) and still get a good center prospect in Newhook or Lavoie

Or skip Caufield and take 2 shots at a center with the two above

Or go Kaliyev + center

Or go center + Knight (goalie of the future)

I like all of those options. Probably Knight, the least, but have high hopes for Robson, and I believe we HAVE to keep picking forwards that have elite potential in the draft till we actually hit on one.

 

[AKL]

10-15 definitely seems to be an interesting range...

If you can get #14 for Zucker(+something not crazy?) and #8 or #11 for Spurgeon the idea of a "quick rebuild" starts to seem less ridiculous. It'd leave the team in a highly questionable state for next year, but I'm not sure we couldn't patch the holes with call-ups and free-agents. And if it all goes pear-shaped we end up with another lottery pick in 2020 and add Kaprizov the following fall.

I'm skeptical that Arizona would be all that keen on parting with their 1st two years after giving up #7 for Stepan, but I don't think it's crazy either.

Getting 8, 12 and 14 in this draft would be a wet dream.

Zegras, Newhook, Knight is probably who I’d take.

 

[Bazeek]

Getting 8, 12 and 14 in this draft would be a wet dream.

Zegras, Newhook, Knight is probably who I’d take.

Is 11, 12, 14 still worth the cost? I think Spurgeon to Edmonton would make an enormous difference for them and is well worth #8, but I can also see Fletcher being the one more likely to bite.

 

[AKL]

Is 11, 12, 14 still worth the cost? I think Spurgeon to Edmonton would make an enormous difference for them and is well worth #8, but I can also see Fletcher being the one more likely to bite.

Eh, part of the draw of 7/8 is Zegras or possibly even Turcotte being there. Doubt either make it to 11.

 

[C0DITH]

Flyers 11th Overall + 4th (from NSH) for Spurgeon + 2nd?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Just think if we got Nashville's 1st in the Granlund deal (like we should've) and worked out a deal with Staal to bring him back in UFA after a two month vacation out in Boston (and got their 1st).

Add that to our #12 and possibly another in the 16-22 range in a Zucker trade (or if the Calgary one went through and it was their 1st).

Could be walking out of this draft with Newhook + Knight + Brink + whoever

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Flyers 11th Overall + 4th (from NSH) for Spurgeon + 2nd?

Not adding a 2nd rounder to a top pair defenseman for that pick.

 

[57special]

Is 11, 12, 14 still worth the cost? I think Spurgeon to Edmonton would make an enormous difference for them and is well worth #8, but I can also see Fletcher being the one more likely to bite.

I think we underestimate how well regarded Spurgeon is by management, and IMO, rightfully so. GM's don't usually have time to trade top players for non top3 draft picks, in the hope that they develop into top players 5 years down the line. Those are the types of trades that get you fired 4 years down the line.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

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[Bazeek]

Just think if we got Nashville's 1st in the Granlund deal (like we should've) and worked out a deal with Staal to bring him back in UFA after a two month vacation out in Boston (and got their 1st).

Add that to our #12 and possibly another in the 16-22 range in a Zucker trade (or if the Calgary one went through and it was their 1st).

At a certain point you'd have to worry about actually hitting on all of those picks and having them all hit their 1st RFA contracts at the same time