Trade deadline deals

[Mosby]

Probably for a similar young player. It doesn't make sense to move him for a pick. Or package him in a bigger deal. He was included in our offer to Calgary for Hamilton.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

Probably for a similar young player. It doesn't make sense to move him for a pick. Or package him in a bigger deal. He was included in our offer to Calgary for Hamilton.

Oh yes. I'm quite familiar with that infamous offer

 

[_Del_]

I would want a young player who has scored 20 goals in the NHL before...

 

[rt]

I would want a young player who has scored 20 goals in the NHL before...

Yep.

 

[_Del_]

English?

The only French you'll need on any trip is how to say, "S'il vous plait", "Merci beaucoup", and "Pardon, garçon, mais il y a un berger allemand dans mon potage".

You'll have to expand your vocabulary quite a bit to follow the Nordiques though.

 

[Mosby]

I would want a young player who has scored 20 goals in the NHL before...

Pretty much, which is why I struggle to find a good match.

Looking at his draft year (2013), Duclair for the rights to Nichushkin could be an interesting swap.

Duclair - 160 gp, 24 goals, 36 assists
Nichushkin - 166 gp, 23 goals, 41 assists

Another left-shot RW too.

Not advocating this, just fodder.

 

[BlazingBlueAnt]

You're missing quite a lot here.

1.) Excellent two way guy
2.) Former 2nd rounder
3.) Played well under Babcock. Struggles started when Blashill took over

Don't think Duclair is worth more than Jurco. Not now. And that's why it doesn't make sense to move him now. Has to prove he can play in the NHL and that last season with his ridiculous shooting percentage wasn't just a fluke. Jurco is a proven NHLer who just failed to make the last step because he didn't manage to get along with his coach.

Jurco a proven NHL'r

 

[Bonsai Tree]

You'll have to expand your vocabulary quite a bit to follow the Nordiques though.

Who?

 

[1989]

Hey, guys. Flames fan here but I'm not here to post offers or even talk trade (completely derailing the thread, what a jerk.)
More than anything I'm just curious what happened/is happening to Duclair?

As noted previously, he IS a 20+ goalscorer in the NHL. He's young. He has, presumably, a long NHL career ahead of him. I mean, 44 points in the NHL in his first season is still more than 25% of players will ever score in a season in their careers. That's second-line production ability on almost any team.

So why is he in the AHL?
And why is he being talked about in the same media presser by Chayka who is willing to "make a lateral move"?
It's not to say Duclair wouldn't ideally be included in a trade for an upgrade, but the question is, why is he being shopped at all?

From bits and pieces of commentary, I assume that Tippett has something to do with that, but I want to know more, if you're willing to entertain my curiosity.

 

[moosemeister]

Hey, guys. Flames fan here but I'm not here to post offers or even talk trade (completely derailing the thread, what a jerk.)
More than anything I'm just curious what happened/is happening to Duclair?

As noted previously, he IS a 20+ goalscorer in the NHL. He's young. He has, presumably, a long NHL career ahead of him. I mean, 44 points in the NHL in his first season is still more than 25% of players will ever score in a season in their careers. That's second-line production ability on almost any team.

So why is he in the AHL?
And why is he being talked about in the same media presser by Chayka who is willing to "make a lateral move"?
It's not to say Duclair wouldn't ideally be included in a trade for an upgrade, but the question is, why is he being shopped at all?

From bits and pieces of commentary, I assume that Tippett has something to do with that, but I want to know more, if you're willing to entertain my curiosity.

My guess is we have a crazy amount of LHS wingers, and we are looking to find a player with similar value to switch that perhaps shoots right.

He didn't have a good year up here, and he hasn't been much better in the AHL.

 

[Mosby]

Part of the reason his production was so high last year was his shooting percentage. Around 19%. Obviously that figure isn't sustainable. This year, he was incredibly snake bitten early and it seems his confidence sunk because of it.

The coaching staff gets some blame here too in that they tried a lot of different combinations to get Duclair going but maybe too much shuffling. He didn't play with Domi nearly enough, considering the two have good chemistry, but at the same time Duclair has to produce with others as well, and at some point the onus moves to him.

Confidence appears to still be an issue as he's not lighting it up in the AHL either, with just 1 goal in 15 games, against inferior goalies to boot.

I think he could also help himself by bringing consistent effort levels each game. It sways too much.

 

[1989]

Sounds like utilization/deployment (which is the responsibility of coaching) is partially to blame, but Duclair was playing beyond his ability/means?
That point about shooting percentage is a little damning, but it also means that he is a high-confidence, typical streaky producer - maybe a Mason Raymond-type of player (and before you bash that assessment, look up his stat lines before his injuries and decline.)

"Is Duclair more of a third-line tweener/powerplay specialist rather than top-six material, or is it just a rough patch in his development?" sounds like the question your management is asking, and now I understand a little better about why the rumour exists at all, even though it's a very small overall sample size for this young man's potential career trajectory. Thanks!

 

[Plub]

Reeks of Dave tippet. Duclair is not a tippet player IE actually has offensive talents

Yeah, it has been pretty evident DT is not a fan of Duke.

 

[Mosby]

So Eklund, as iffy as he is, has Fleury to Arizona (e4). It's that time of year so I'll throw it out there.

Obviously the only way this deal works is if we move Smitty elsewhere. Calgary?

 

[ParisSaintGermain]

Teemu Pulkkinen has been acquired by the Coyotes.

 

[moosemeister]

Teemu Pulkkinen has been acquired by the Coyotes.

I mean I guess it could be worse. But Pulkki isn't a very good player.

 

[BUX7PHX]

Reeks of Dave tippet. Duclair is not a tippet player IE actually has offensive talents

The way to make a name for yourself for the moment is to be great offensively. The way to make a name for yourself for a career is to show the same greatness defensively.

 

[BUX7PHX]

Sounds like utilization/deployment (which is the responsibility of coaching) is partially to blame, but Duclair was playing beyond his ability/means?
That point about shooting percentage is a little damning, but it also means that he is a high-confidence, typical streaky producer - maybe a Mason Raymond-type of player (and before you bash that assessment, look up his stat lines before his injuries and decline.)

"Is Duclair more of a third-line tweener/powerplay specialist rather than top-six material, or is it just a rough patch in his development?" sounds like the question your management is asking, and now I understand a little better about why the rumour exists at all, even though it's a very small overall sample size for this young man's potential career trajectory. Thanks!

http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/d/duclaan01.html

So he was at 60+ % of zone starts in the offensive end last year, and that regressed to 57%. I don't know what the "standard" is supposed to be, but going that far down off of a mere 3 fewer offensive zone starts per 100 relative to what he did in the past doesn't exactly scream a coaching or usage issue.

There is still a lot to like about his game, but hard to say. If anything, I could see him being the secondary piece to a large deal, but I doubt the Coyotes are in position for a larger deal.

 

[doaner]

Ek has us being mentioned with fluery. I assume smith would go the other way?

Edit: Teddy west side beat me to it!

 

[The Feckless Puck]

So Eklund, as iffy as he is, has Fleury to Arizona (e4). It's that time of year so I'll throw it out there.

Obviously the only way this deal works is if we move Smitty elsewhere. Calgary?

Well, obviously, EKLUND...

...having said that, if we move a goalie it'd be Domingue, IMO. Tippett is not going to want to let Smitty go and it's well known what his opinion of Domingue is.

Although, thinking about it, I bet that Pittsburgh is on Smith's shortlist for NTC waiving.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

I am surprised that people think that Tippett wants to trade Smith. He is playing well and is under control for a number of years. It's not like his stupid contract is causing the roster to be squeezed.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

I am surprised that people think that Tippett wants to trade Smith.

Yep, Smitty's Tippett's boi. If there is any heat to the Fleury thing, it's to install him as a 1A we can rely on to share more of the load. I'm sure Tip is worried about Smith's health history and the fact that he's the oldest non-Doan player on the team, and Domingue is on his s*** list and Hill/Langhamer are both too far away to be ready replacements.

That said, it'd be a lot easier to not do anything goalie-wise until UFA hits. There will be a glut of goalies on the market per usual, I'm sure.

 

[PhoPhan]

Canucks get Jonathan Dahlen for Alex Burrows, who has about half the output that Vrbata has this year. Dahlen went 42nd last year, but I had him ranked 23rd. If the Coyotes could get a prospect of that caliber and a 2nd rounder (i.e. the gap in value between Burrows and Vrbata), the Coyotes will have exceeded my expectations for overall return this year.

 

[Mosby]

Well, obviously, EKLUND...

...having said that, if we move a goalie it'd be Domingue, IMO. Tippett is not going to want to let Smitty go and it's well known what his opinion of Domingue is.

Although, thinking about it, I bet that Pittsburgh is on Smith's shortlist for NTC waiving.

What are we supposed to do with both Smith and Fleury? Not to mention the cost.

Would Smith go to Pitts where he wouldn't get 60 games?

 

[Mosby]