Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk XLIII

[Dr Jan Itor]

Go for Larkin.

JEE
Menell
1st

Then move Dumba to replace the 1st and prospect.

Dumba

Prospect
1st 2022 or 2023


Larkin, Fiala, Greenway, Sturm Foligno, Zuccerello, Parise

Suter, Brodin, Spurgeon

KK

Soucy picked.

Zucc Larkin Kaprizov
Boldy Rossi/Rask Fiala
Greenway Hartman Foligno
Parise Sturm xxxxx

Suter Spurgeon
Brodin xxxx
Cole Addison

Doesn’t compute.

Okay honest question do you want cancer like him in the lockeroom?

It's been talked about on NHL Network that Calgary has had numerous coaching changes, & including recently to Former Darrell S, & Monahan, & Johnny G has been huge problems in the lockeroom, & off.

Johnny G even went public & bashed the new coach saying he doesn't care for playing in the new coach contract, & basically do whatever he wants

With Monahan, apparently he's not giving any effort on ice, / during games, & he also went public with the fact he sees himself as a superstar, & how their coach new one can't expect him , & Johnny to play well defensively either

NHL network Kevin weeks, former Canucks player whose retired bashed Sean Monahan, & Johnny G on air.

Links?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Foligno not getting enough attention as a Seattle target. He’s always had great underlying numbers and intangibles and this season he is scoring at a career high rate. Feels like everyone is assuming we lose Soucy, but Foligno has to be someone they take a hard look at

There are a lot of pending UFA's right now that haven't signed extensions, most likely due to expansion protection reasons, benefiting their organization. Foligno was definitely a candidate for us to do the same. Signing the extension when he did makes me believe that Guerin has all but made the decision to go 7-3-1.

His choice now is between losing Dumba and Soucy, but getting assets back; or just losing Dumba, and use keeping Soucy as the "asset" that he gets back. All depends on what Dumba could actually get though. I'm of the belief that there should be something out there, somewhere, in the Zucker/Mantha range of deals. I like Soucy a lot, but I would give him up for those kinds of assets.

 

[Webster]

LaPanta said Soucy is fourth in the league in penalty minutes. And he doesn't fight, so they are all bad play penalties.
Good riddance.

 

[SomethingGeneric]

LaPanta said Soucy is fourth in the league in penalty minutes. And he doesn't fight, so they are all bad play penalties.
Good riddance.

Almost half his penalty minutes this year are from fights but go off

Edit: 1/3

 

[57special]

Foligno not getting enough attention as a Seattle target. He’s always had great underlying numbers and intangibles and this season he is scoring at a career high rate. Feels like everyone is assuming we lose Soucy, but Foligno has to be someone they take a hard look at

if Dumba is traded before the ED then Guerin might go 7+3, allowing him to protect Foligno. If he doesn't trade Dumba, then he might go 7+3 anyway, reasoning that he will at least keep one of Soucy/Dumba, and all of his forwards. The way Talbot is playing, HE might be the one picked, which would be a good news, bad news scenario. Talbot is not young, and doesn't have a track record of being a top goalie, but he has been terrific this year. OTOH, we'd keep all of our skaters. I think I'd rather keep Talbot, TBH.

 

[BagHead]

LaPanta said Soucy is fourth in the league in penalty minutes. And he doesn't fight, so they are all bad play penalties.
Good riddance.

I can't testify to what LaPanta did or did not say, but that's not even factual. He's currently 12th in the league for PIMs, 8 behind 4th place. That doesn't sound like much, but he's only at 47, so adding 8 is significant. And he has been in at least one fight that I can remember (Lawson Crouse). Pretty sure he's been in at least a few fights this year.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

LaPanta said Soucy is fourth in the league in penalty minutes. And he doesn't fight, so they are all bad play penalties.
Good riddance.

4th in the league for defensemen.

2 fights. 1 major (Garland hit). A string of a bad 4 games where he got 14 of the 47 PIMS, appears all on minors.

Other than that, pacing 31 points per 82 games (all ES) and sitting at a +19. Not really a "good riddance" situation at all.

FYI, Greenway is sitting 3 PIMs behind Soucy with zero fights. Would he be a "good riddance" too?

 

[KaprizovEntitlelist]

Foligno not getting enough attention as a Seattle target. He’s always had great underlying numbers and intangibles and this season he is scoring at a career high rate. Feels like everyone is assuming we lose Soucy, but Foligno has to be someone they take a hard look at

Wild are going to protect him. Didn't sign him to extension to expose him, Guerin made that clear

 

[2Pair]

Wild are going to protect him. Didn't sign him to extension to expose him, Guerin made that clear

Guerin has said quite a few things that he hasn't actually done

 

[KaprizovEntitlelist]

Go for Larkin.

JEE
Menell
1st

Then move Dumba to replace the 1st and prospect.

Dumba

Prospect
1st 2022 or 2023


Larkin, Fiala, Greenway, Sturm Foligno, Zuccerello, Parise

Suter, Brodin, Spurgeon

KK

Soucy picked.

Zucc Larkin Kaprizov
Boldy Rossi/Rask Fiala
Greenway Hartman Foligno
Parise Sturm xxxxx

Suter Spurgeon
Brodin xxxx
Cole Addison

This is just beyond crazy. You don't trade Joel Eriksson Ek to add Larkin. One is just taking a step back

Some of you are too desperate for c to the point you are willing to trade away a good , really good young defense beast in Ek whose also going back to last year his offense skills are coming together.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

There are a lot of pending UFA's right now that haven't signed extensions, most likely due to expansion protection reasons, benefiting their organization. Foligno was definitely a candidate for us to do the same. Signing the extension when he did makes me believe that Guerin has all but made the decision to go 7-3-1.

His choice now is between losing Dumba and Soucy, but getting assets back; or just losing Dumba, and use keeping Soucy as the "asset" that he gets back. All depends on what Dumba could actually get though. I'm of the belief that there should be something out there, somewhere, in the Zucker/Mantha range of deals. I like Soucy a lot, but I would give him up for those kinds of assets.

Either Guerin’s an idiot, or Dumba isn’t returning what Mantha did. Maybe a combination of both. I just have a hard time seeing dumba fetching that when so few teams have an expansion slot open for a defenseman.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

This is just beyond crazy. You don't trade Joel Eriksson Ek to add Larkin. One is just taking a step back

Some of you are too desperate for c to the point you are willing to trade away a good , really good young defense beast in Ek whose also going back to last year his offense skills are coming together.

Yes, you very much do. But doesn’t matter because Detroit laughs at it.

 

[Webster]

4th in the league for defensemen.

2 fights. 1 major (Garland hit). A string of a bad 4 games where he got 14 of the 47 PIMS, appears all on minors.

Other than that, pacing 31 points per 82 games (all ES) and sitting at a +19. Not really a "good riddance" situation at all.

FYI, Greenway is sitting 3 PIMs behind Soucy with zero fights. Would he be a "good riddance" too?

Well I'd still say Soucy spends too much time in the penalty box. Greenway...only thing that impressed me is his frame.

As we know, there are a lot of guys on this team playing for a job next season. I hope they keep that in mind.

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

Yes, you very much do. But doesn’t matter because Detroit laughs at it.

Yeah, no idea how one can look at that trade and think MN wouldn't do it. Especially considering Detroit would laugh us off the phone.

 

[GuerinUp]

The longer this goes on the more it almost feels like guerin might have some inside information on a pending FA that wants to come here that he can sign with dumbas money. The lack of urgency on trading him almost makes it more apparent.

 

[ThatGuy22]

The longer this goes on the more it almost feels like guerin might have some inside information on a pending FA that wants to come here that he can sign with dumbas money. The lack of urgency on trading him almost makes it more apparent.

Maybe.

The bad part about that is the UFA is probably Nick Foligno....

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

The longer this goes on the more it almost feels like guerin might have some inside information on a pending FA that wants to come here that he can sign with dumbas money. The lack of urgency on trading him almost makes it more apparent.

Sounds like tampering.

 

[grN1g]

Sounds like tampering.

Let's be honest tampering has and always will be a thing. Only when your caught is it a problem.

 

[GuerinUp]

Maybe.

The bad part about that is the UFA is probably Nick Foligno....

I could see that, i will say this, Looking at stats alone, hes pretty close to what danault puts up. Yes his faceoff percentage is worse, but his shooting percentage is better. Difference being this: foligno has played on horses*** teams his whole career, where danault has played on a pretty good roster his whole career. Foligno has put up a 73 point season at one point (i dont know the details) but he might not be a terrible filler for a few years at a reasonable salary.

 

[GuerinUp]

Sounds like tampering.

tampering happens in every sport all the time, key is just dont get caught.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

Was reading some Twitter fun and there are two teams confirmed to be geared up to make a big push at eichel. What if one of them is us and that’s why he held tight? Throwing all the chips in one basket.

 

[ThatGuy22]

I could see that, i will say this, Looking at stats alone, hes pretty close to what danault puts up. Yes his faceoff percentage is worse, but his shooting percentage is better. Difference being this: foligno has played on horses*** teams his whole career, where danault has played on a pretty good roster his whole career. Foligno has put up a 73 point season at one point (i dont know the details) but he might not be a terrible filler for a few years at a reasonable salary.

Foligno's 73 point season was like 6 years ago, and buoyed by high individual and on ice shooting percentages. Complete fluke he never came close to replicating.

Denault by any measure is twice the player at this stage by any measure.

 

[TwiztedHeat]

Was reading some Twitter fun and there are two teams confirmed to be geared up to make a big push at eichel. What if one of them is us and that’s why he held tight? Throwing all the chips in one basket.

It's LA and NYR

 

[DeagleJenkins]

It's LA and NYR

I agree, just wishful thinking.

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

Foligno's 73 point season was like 6 years ago, and buoyed by high individual and on ice shooting percentages. Complete fluke he never came close to replicating.

Denault by any measure is twice the player at this stage by any measure.

One of them will also be 34 in the Fall and the other 28