Player Discussion Torey Krug IV

[LouJersey]

They are

One of my close buds thinks if they traded for a Schenn for third line it gives them the best trio down the middle and compensates should 37 or 46 go out

He said the D and goal tending is so good that with a great first line and super strong down middle they are right there with Tampa and jump the Caps

Interesting

Co workers and I were discussing the New York locals and tbe Bruins and we listed defensemen depth.

Chara-Carlo
Moore-McAvoy
Krug-Griz
Vaak-Miller
Lauzon-Clifton
Zboril


Rangers fan said he would take our 4th and 5th pairs for his 2nd and 3rd.

Insane depth.

 

[TaroTsujimoto]

People saying Grzelcyk makes Krug expendable are out of their minds. Thats like saying the Seguin trade was good because Eriksson was a far better 200ft player than Seguin and cost less. We're talking about an elite offensive talent here. Krug is the Patty Kane of Dmen

Agreed. Unless Gryz is a TOP PAIRING defenceman he in no way makes Krug expendable (and even then, he's no Krug offensively). No matter how good he looks skating the puck out of danger.

People willing to trade Krug for a "second line" winger are also nuts. Krug is an elite talent, therefore I want a FIRST LINER in return for him. Nothing less.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I don’t know how they can shelter both Krug and Chara in the playoffs. I think it’s time to start thinking about a different direction, like Vaakanainen. Yes I know Krug is great offensively, but he may be the worse defensively I’ve ever seen.

 

[Emerz]

I don’t know how they can shelter both Krug and Chara in the playoffs. I think it’s time to start thinking about a different direction, like Vaakanainen. Yes I know Krug is great offensively, but he may be the worse defensively I’ve ever seen.

Yeah I don't know. I feel like the team actually may be better off going in a different direction as well.

I love Krug as a player and he's one of my absolute most favorite Bruins but his defensive play this year is much worse than usual, last night he was made to look like a pylon 3-4 different times with at least one leading to a goal.

The other thing to consider is Krug has real value which we can parlay in to a real top 6 F.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Yeah I don't know. I feel like the team actually may be better off going in a different direction as well.

I love Krug as a player and he's one of my absolute most favorite Bruins but his defensive play this year is much worse than usual, last night he was made to look like a pylon 3-4 different times with at least one leading to a goal.

The other thing to consider is Krug has real value which we can parlay in to a real top 6 F.

Exactly. With guys like Vaakanainen and Lauzon ready to play now, I think they could get away with trading Krug for futures if they had to. Obviously immediate help is preferable, but if it’s a center with potential I’d do it.

 

[Bruinswillwin77]

I know its unrealistic but considering our defensive depth, convince Krug to be our missing top 6 winger, and win win.

 

[Son of Donegal]

Charlie McAvoy also had a tough game the other night. Is it time to move on from him?

I jest - but if folks are truly thinking of moving Krug - a core member of the team on the ice and in the locker room - you have to get an elite player coming back. If it's a winger, it has to be an 80+ point player. Krug is on pace for around 70pts. His chemistry with 37, 63, and 88 at even strength and on the power play...it's not easy to replace it. A move like that would change things quite a bit.

Let's also think about Sweeney's track record for trades. It's not great.

Hence, I think the Bruins would be much better off keeping the core intact and adding to the roster in other ways.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Charlie McAvoy also had a tough game the other night. Is it time to move on from him?

I jest - but if folks are truly thinking of moving Krug - a core member of the team on the ice and in the locker room - you have to get an elite player coming back. If it's a winger, it has to be an 80+ point player. Krug is on pace for around 70pts. His chemistry with 37, 63, and 88 at even strength and on the power play...it's not easy to replace it. A move like that would change things quite a bit.

Let's also think about Sweeney's track record for trades. It's not great.

Hence, I think the Bruins would be much better off keeping the core intact and adding to the roster in other ways.

Not sure anyone is trading a 70 point winger for Krug but if they could get that, sign me up. Krug has too many holes in his game to ignore. How do we shelter Krug defensively in the playoffs when we also have to shelter Chara? That leaves playing Grzelcyk 35 minutes a night and that’s not happening.

 

[Son of Donegal]

Not sure anyone is trading a 70 point winger for Krug but if they could get that, sign me up. Krug has too many holes in his game to ignore. How do we shelter Krug defensively in the playoffs when we also have to shelter Chara? That leaves playing Grzelcyk 35 minutes a night and that’s not happening.

Who said the Bruins need to shelter Chara? He's going to play 20+ at EV and PK. Hell...he played over 19 mins last night on his first game back from injury and was one of the few defenseman to finish with an even +/-. Using Chara as a shutdown guy at 20+ minutes isn't exactly sheltering him. You don't have Grzelcyk playing more minutes than Chara. If that is your plan...no wonder you are concerned.

As for Krug, he's an offensive defenseman. He is being used properly to start in the offensive zone, especially when the Bruins are struggling to score. Despite all of this, Krug has one of the best Corsi % in the entire league for defenders and has for the past 4 seasons. So, while he struggles when pressured in the D zone, he is generally getting pucks out and winning battles everywhere else. Trading him for a 70pt winger is stealing Peter to pay Paul. Bruins lose more than the production as well.

The only way I consider trading Krug is if they add to the package to get a bona fide top line scorer and proven winner. Or...to get a more well-rounded version of Krug!

 

[SanDogBrewin]

I don’t know how they can shelter both Krug and Chara in the playoffs. I think it’s time to start thinking about a different direction, like Vaakanainen. Yes I know Krug is great offensively, but he may be the worse defensively I’ve ever seen.

And as long as Krug is on the team Cassidy is going to feed him minutes.

 

[TCB]

I don’t know how they can shelter both Krug and Chara in the playoffs. I think it’s time to start thinking about a different direction, like Vaakanainen. Yes I know Krug is great offensively, but he may be the worse defensively I’ve ever seen.

Have you watched Kevin Shattenkirk lately

 

[missingchicklet]

Who said the Bruins need to shelter Chara? He's going to play 20+ at EV and PK. Hell...he played over 19 mins last night on his first game back from injury and was one of the few defenseman to finish with an even +/-. Using Chara as a shutdown guy at 20+ minutes isn't exactly sheltering him. You don't have Grzelcyk playing more minutes than Chara. If that is your plan...no wonder you are concerned.

As for Krug, he's an offensive defenseman. He is being used properly to start in the offensive zone, especially when the Bruins are struggling to score. Despite all of this, Krug has one of the best Corsi % in the entire league for defenders and has for the past 4 seasons. So, while he struggles when pressured in the D zone, he is generally getting pucks out and winning battles everywhere else. Trading him for a 70pt winger is stealing Peter to pay Paul. Bruins lose more than the production as well.

The only way I consider trading Krug is if they add to the package to get a bona fide top line scorer and proven winner. Or...to get a more well-rounded version of Krug!

Well said. Any thought that someone will step in and fill the void of Krug's production is dream material. I've seen some folks say that Griz could be that guy, but the issue there is Griz is not the same type of player as Krug. He's competent offensively, but he's far from Krug level. They are both short, but their games are different. I've seen some folks assume McAvoy could be that guy. McAvoy is certainly gifted offensively, but again he's not at Krug level yet. He may get there at some point, though. Problem is that McAvoy has only been here two seasons and is already struggling to stay healthy and in the lineup. What happens when Krug is gone and McAvoy is out with injury? Not much offensively, I can say that much. Krug's contributions offensively should not just be measured by goals and assists. He does much more than just that. Agree that the only way Krug should be traded is if somehow his production will be replaced.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Have you watched Kevin Shattenkirk lately

I mean as far as Bruins defensemen of the last ten years. Wideman was pretty bad at times as well.

 

[DarrenBanks56]

this guy has to be the worst at defending a 2 on 1. i think half our forwards would do a better job.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Who said the Bruins need to shelter Chara? He's going to play 20+ at EV and PK. Hell...he played over 19 mins last night on his first game back from injury and was one of the few defenseman to finish with an even +/-. Using Chara as a shutdown guy at 20+ minutes isn't exactly sheltering him. You don't have Grzelcyk playing more minutes than Chara. If that is your plan...no wonder you are concerned.

As for Krug, he's an offensive defenseman. He is being used properly to start in the offensive zone, especially when the Bruins are struggling to score. Despite all of this, Krug has one of the best Corsi % in the entire league for defenders and has for the past 4 seasons. So, while he struggles when pressured in the D zone, he is generally getting pucks out and winning battles everywhere else. Trading him for a 70pt winger is stealing Peter to pay Paul. Bruins lose more than the production as well.

The only way I consider trading Krug is if they add to the package to get a bona fide top line scorer and proven winner. Or...to get a more well-rounded version of Krug!

If you’re comfortable going into the playoffs with Chara, Grzelcyk and Krug on the left side then agree to disagree. Counting on Chara to carry the defense at his age isn’t a good strategy IMO. Krug was exploited last year and he’s been getting worse defensively over the years. There was a time not too long ago I thought he was great all around, but lately he’s been bad. Maybe it’s the ankle injuries.

There was a point I thought he’d be Rafalski like, and the way people talk about him you’d think Krug was better. He doesn’t have the overall game and will be exploited in the playoffs like he was last year.

 

[ORRMAN]

It's this simple: Krug's offensive skills do not offset the fact that he is a huge defensive liability. He has quickness but lacks speed. I would bet that Chara could beat Krug in a straight-line race. He's Dennis F. Wideman 2.0 defensively.

 

[NDiesel]

It's this simple: Krug's offensive skills do not offset the fact that he is a huge defensive liability. He has quickness but lacks speed. I would bet that Chara could be Krug in a straight-line race. He's Dennis F. Wideman 2.0 defensively.

Almost would have had a credible post until the bolded.

 

[ORRMAN]

Almost would have had a credible post until the bolded.

How many times has Krug had a shot blocked or lost control of the puck on the point? And how many times has he caught the player that blocked/stole the puck? I don't know the answer to the first question, but I will guaranty you the answer to the second is "zero."

 

[Kazcram]

How many times has Krug had a shot blocked or lost control of the puck on the point? And how many times has he caught the player that blocked/stole the puck? I don't know the answer to the first question, but I will guaranty you the answer to the second is "zero."

this is spot on

 

[Mainehockey33]

Not sure if Krug’s impression of a turnstile is worse than Wideman getting the puck stripped behind his own net, but it’s definitely debatable.

 

[Kalus]

Almost would have had a credible post until the bolded.

Krug has what the great Mick Collageo refers to as "stubby legs". All the training in the world can't change that.

There is no doubt he is an elite talent in the offensive zone, most so on the power play. I just think the Bruins have just enough surplus on the back end to be able to withstand the loss of Krug to fill a greater need up front.

There must be a team that is willing to part with a good forward to improve its power play or just generally upgrade its D. Bruins could add with a good young player as well.

 

[rocketdan9]

Just out of curiosity

how many folks would like the Bruins to resign Krug after his current deal expires?

 

[NDiesel]

Just out of curiosity

how many folks would like the Bruins to resign Krug after his current deal expires?

Depends on the price. His point production won't be easy to replace and I personally think his defensive shortcomings are a tad exaggerated. I would be surprised to see them keep him seeing as Shattenkirk got 7 mil? and I'm sure Krug would command very similar dollars.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

clicked on this thread in a little over a week Krug went from being at the top of his game and a core part of the team to being a traffic cone & turnstile.

normally i'd chock it up to people here being too reactionary, but I think the up & down nature of the last couple pages pretty well represents how up & down Krug's game can be.

 

[TheReal13Linseman]

Krug was at one time reliable on offense and serviceable on defense.

But this year, he has been largely unreliable on offense and very weak on defense.

I would not re-sign him and feel that it would be better to trade him, possibly with Chara for a top scoring winger. If possible.