Value of: TOR-VGK Blockbuster

[Randy Randerson]

This deal makes no sense for either team but vegas is giving up a little more then they are getting. Their is a reason both fans bases think its a horrible deal.

if this offer was on the table I'd consider it from Toronto's end even if it's a ton of moving parts, but I can't see why Vegas would

here's the deal dealers

mark my words

Toronto's defence isn't in as bad shape as the narrative goes, this will become more apparent as the season wears on

agree with that, there's been some minor improvements that should add up to a big swing for the Leafs D corps: Polak was not re-signed (18 mins a night of NHL caliber defense in place of Polak should have almost the impact of getting a proper partner for Rielly), Tavares+two of Kapanen/Johnsson/Leivo in place of Bozak+JVR+a shell of Komarov should yield similar offense with a much improved possession game, a year of progress towards prime performance for Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Rielly/Dermott should bode well for good possession and playing less defense, Zaitsev has a good chance to be the player he was in his first year if he's healthy which is a marked upgrade from what he was last year

I still think we're a top pairing RHD away from the ideal, but there should be a lot less pressure on the defense this year

 

[therealkoho]

what do you think a replacement level player is? because it doesn't describe either Hainsey or Zaitsev

I'm still trying to figure out what a "replacement level" player is

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I'm still trying to figure out what a "replacement level" player is

basically a player any team could get in free agency for about league minimum, between an AHLer and a bottom pairing defenseman in quality

 

[therealkoho]

basically a player any team could get in free agency for about league minimum, between an AHLer and a bottom pairing defenseman in quality

my question was hypothetical

it was intended to point out what a worthless phrase that is

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

my question was hypothetical

it was intended to point out what a worthless phrase that is

it's not worthless if you use it correctly, but he didn't

 

[Super Hans]

Replacement-level players are a diamond dozen in the doggy-dog world of the HF trade forum.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

I think it should be a tad bit more simple. By the way, I am doing this in McPhee's perspective.

Toronto:
Theodore
2nd 2019
Lindberg
Conditional 1st 2020 if William Nylander signs an extension at least three years
Conditional 2nd 2020 if he signs an extension longer than six years

Vegas:
Nylander

 

[HanSolo]

what an insane, crazy assumption that being left exposed means the team doesn't think much of you.

Considering how intent you seem to be to make discourse based capital on discrediting the value of the Vegas players based on their expansion draft status, I don't think it's that crazy.

 

[Duke Silver]

Did this work in GM Mode?

 

[seroes]

As a sharks fan I wholly support this proposal as it would decimate Vegas. But I don't think they are that dumb.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

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[Starat327]

I think it should be a tad bit more simple. By the way, I am doing this in McPhee's perspective.

Toronto:
Theodore
2nd 2019
Lindberg
Conditional 1st 2020 if William Nylander signs an extension at least three years
Conditional 2nd 2020 if he signs an extension longer than six years

Vegas:
Nylander

That is entirely too much from vegas.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Reilly Smith
Shea Theodore
Colin Miller
Nate Schmidt


William Nylander
Jake Gardiner
Nikita Zaitsev
Ron Hainsey

Who needs to add?

I say this every year: No team that thinks itself a contender is going to make a deal to downgrade itself at D.

That should answer your question.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

I'm a Leaf fan, I agree. Nylander is the best piece in the deal, but 4 of the next 5 best pieces are coming from Vegas. It's also the top half of Vegas' defense corps that's getting traded, I'm going to go way out on a limb and say that no team has ever traded their 3 best defensemen in one deal, especially one coming off a cup appearance

anyway, lots of bad takes from the Leafs side in this thread

An honest fan.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

my question was hypothetical

it was intended to point out what a worthless phrase that is

It's not, as the poster you quoted pointed out.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

That is entirely too much from vegas.

So was Suzuki (13th overall pick), 2nd and Tatar... (1st, 2nd, 3rd)

 

[Halla]

too many moving parts

nylander isn't going for a lesser dman +

3 of these guys werent even protected in the expansion draft a year ago.

 

[HanSolo]

too many moving parts

nylander isn't going for a lesser dman +

3 of these guys werent even protected in the expansion draft a year ago.

Clearly means they suck

I love how when Vegas is doing well and winning games: the NHL granted the Knights a superteam with favorable draft rules.

When the players from favorable draft rules are brought up in trade proposals: they weren't protected by their teams so they aren't that great.

 

[MMC]

too many moving parts

nylander isn't going for a lesser dman +

3 of these guys werent even protected in the expansion draft a year ago.

Guess you wouldn't trade Connor Carrick for Jonathan Marchessault. After all Carrick was protected and Marchessault wasn't

 

[Leafidelity]

here's the deal dealers

mark my words

Toronto's defence isn't in as bad shape as the narrative goes, this will become more apparent as the season wears on

Toronto's defense wasn't as bad as the narrative goes LAST year, so yeah I think I agree with you here.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

The funniest part about this thread is the leafs fans saying no.

The only negative for them is they get older upfront. They aren't losing any production.
But in the process get 3 top 4 defensemen to add to Morgan Rielly. What an absolute joke.
Vegas gets bent over the washing machine.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

IMO the Leafs downgrade their defense here and for the low low price of downgrading from Nylander to Smtih.

Dubas politely declines but thanks you for the interest. Perhaps in the future there will be more of an appetite to move Nylander and values can be discussed then.

DOWNGRADES their defense? can you please stop fisting my asshole.
I can not believe how delusional some leaf fans are. Who in their right mind take Hainsey, Zaitsev, and Gardnier over Nate, Theodore, and Miller. That is the literal definition of a direct upgrade. In terms of contract, age, talent and just about every category possible.

I am actually speechless someone can believe that.

Edit: I get not wanting to deal Nylander. I think some fans are overreacting, but I get it. But holy shit you actually think the defense side of the deal is bad for the leafs. You're telling me that if Smith and Nylander were removed, you'd still say no.

Honestly its just confusing. How someone could lack objectivity to such a degree.

 

[Starat327]

So was Suzuki (13th overall pick), 2nd and Tatar... (1st, 2nd, 3rd)

Most rational fans predicted a similar package for Pacioretty. You could say they overpaid slightly, but i dont think it was by much.

What youre proposing would become the new Hall for Larsson. That level of bad.

 

[Paralyzer]

here's the deal dealers

mark my words

Toronto's defence isn't in as bad shape as the narrative goes, this will become more apparent as the season wears on

No it's worse. Much. Worse.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

You people act like the Knights got such superstars as Laurie Boschman and Ken Hammond in the expansion draft instead of people that teams wanted to protect but couldn't.