Value of: TOR-VGK Blockbuster

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  1. tmlfan98

    tmlfan98 #TeamAssetManagement

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    Reilly Smith
    Shea Theodore
    Colin Miller
    Nate Schmidt

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    William Nylander
    Jake Gardiner
    Nikita Zaitsev
    Ron Hainsey

    Who needs to add?
     
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    This is absolutely atrocious for Vegas. Smith has a great year and is a big part of their top line, Nylander would be a marginal upgrade if one at all. They're also not trading their 3 best defensemen for an expiring 2nd pair defenseman, an expiring bottom pair defenseman, and a bottom pair defenseman signed to a terrible contract.
     
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    lmao wtf

    Vegas needs to add. Significantly.
     
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    Would be very ridiculous if the Leafs gave away that package.
     
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    Heart Eater Johnny Toronto

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    Biggest homer post on Hf right here

    Vegas takes this and runs so fast. What a joke.
     
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    HanSolo Vegas Strong

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    Then they get the **** out

    This cripples Vegas' defense horribly. Not a ****ing chance anything like this happens. It's a surefire way for them to draft in the top 5.
     
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    I'm a Ducks fan but ok
     
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    MMC is a Ducks fan. Nice try.

    Vegas absolutely doesn't trade their three best defensemen to get a safety net from Gardiner, Hainsey, and Zaitsev. They just won't. That would leave them with one okay pairing, Zaitsev, Hainsey and two rookies. It's not happening.

    Vegas' top 6 currently can't figure out what top 6 player needs to be bumped down to the third line. Would it be nice to run two second lines? Absolutely. But not at the expense of their defense.

    This may not be the value TML fans want, but it's certainly not a win for Vegas either.
     
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    drw02 I beg to differ

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    One upgrade at forward to downgrade three spots on defense. Factor in Nylander contract demands while Smith is a solid, consistent producer on a good deal. VGK easy pass
     
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    Nice to see that some people are not afraid of ridicule.
     
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    Welp, that settles that, William Nylanders value is Reilly Smith.

    Now we known, and are better off for it.
     
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    Vegas gets a capdump, 1 suspect D-man who looking for big payday, and Hainsey who is okish but not better then any of of the 3 they give up.

    If Nylander got scared of Chara, what gonna happen when he goes up against Getzlaf, and other big guys in every game?
    If anyone says this is good for Vegas, are massive Leaf homers.
     
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    And Zaitzev is worth Theodore, is that what you are saying?
     
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    I don't know, go read my post again and tell me if that's what I said.
     
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    If you said Smith is = Nylander

    Then Miller = Hainsey
    Schimdt = Gardiner
    Theo = Zaitzev

    This is what I´m getting
     
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    you are not getting Nylander for a bunch of guys who were left exposed just last summer.
     
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    the leafs need to add by quite a bit
     
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    lmao solid thread
     
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    Well your post on its own operates on some presumption that Nylander and Smith are the only value worth considering in the total estimation.
     
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    explain how vegas takes this and run. i dare you.
     
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    Trading nylander for any one of those pieces one for one is horrible for the leafs. But the deal is poor for the knights. Hainsey is a 5/6 and a f/a next season. Gardiner is a 2/3 and a f/a next season. Yes schmidt is a question mark with his suspension and not know if he really is a top 4 defender or not. Miller is a pretty solid 2/3 with term. Theodore is young and a big part of the knights team. This deal would never go through. If we dealt nylander to Vegas it would take something like Miller+ Cody Glass which is something the knights would not want to do.
     
  22. WilliamNylander

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    This is a pretty classic quantity for quality proposal. IF you take out Nylander and its a sign and trade with Gardiner I think it makes more sense.

    With Nylander this deal doesn't work. Vegas doesn't have any assets on his level (or near it) so they can't land a piece like Willy right now.
     
  23. HanSolo

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    Theodore wasn't left exposed but let's toy with this assertion for a bit. Brought to you by the guy who kept insisting that Hampus Lindholm wouldn't amount to anything.

    Smith 67gp 60p
    Nylander 82gp 61p
    Gardiner 82gp 52p
    Miller 82gp 41p
    Schmidt 76gp 36p
    Theodore 61gp 29p
    Hainsey 80gp 23p
    Zaitsev 60gp 13p

    Yeah what a bunch of incomparable bums Vegas has. Great hot take.

    Schmidt is a top 4 defender. He proved as much in the playoffs. The question remaining is if he's solidified a top pairing billing or is borderline.
     
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    that would be even worse for vegas.
     
  25. WilliamNylander

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    Well duh. Thats closer to fair value for both teams though.
     
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