Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] Matthews extended (5 years, $11.63M AAV) part 2

[Garbageyuk]

It just does no good to be saying these things in public. The proper thing is to say no comment when negotiations are ongoing or on the horizon. You thought he would have learned this, this summer. Everytime Dubas opens his mouth, other GM's are in full panic because he is resetting the market higher, and higher. He really has been over matched against Gross and Orr Hockey Group. I don't begrudge players for making money, but if you are fans of Point, Barzal, Rantanen, Aho, Boeser, Dubas just made other GM's jobs that much harder.

Agreed. He lacks experience in many areas, and because of that, he doesn't command the proper level of respect from the people he is dealing with.

 

[Just Rude]

Bobby Mac makes a good point.

Once JT signed, the Leafs knew an 8-year deal for Matthews was not an option. Lots of talent, too many guys to sign and a cap to deal with. Had JT signed elsewhere, they would have gone 8 years with Matthews. But once JT signed with the Leafs, it was always going to be a six or seven year window to win it all (including this year).

I'll leave it to my fellow Leaf fans to decide if that was a good strategy.

 

[yababy]

Explain your last sentence. Tell us why.

you win a cup with bargain contracts and key star players on entry level contracts.
This year or bust

 

[Holymakinaw]

except you have to complete against teams with contracts like
Scheifele 8.39%
Gaudreau 9.25%
Pastrnak 8.89%
Barkov 8.08%
Mackinnon 8.63%

And guess what? Oilers aren't winning a cup anytime soon either

So what? They have those guys, and the Leafs have Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Rielly, Andersen, Muzzin..........who cares what they make, if the team can fit the core in. Which the Leafs CAN.

And they'll ALL be under contract, soon enough. Those other teams are gonna have to deal with the Leafs. Good luck with that.

WOO HOOO!!!

 

[koyvoo]

So what? They have those guys, and the Leafs have Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Rielly, Andersen, Muzzin..........

And they'll ALL be under contract, soon enough. Those other teams are gonna have to deal with the Leafs. Good luck with that.

WOO HOOO!!!

By the time of this year’s elimination more and more leaf fans will rightfully turn on Matthews and Nylander. The other guys you mentioned are indeed warriors though.

 

[MoreMogilny]

you win a cup with bargain contracts and key star players on entry level contracts.
This year or bust

Nope. You have no clue.

 

[The Red Line]

Exactly. We were told he's go to July 1 and sign in Arizona.

And the rest of us were told he'd sign for less than Tavares, that he'd sign for 8 years, that he'd take a massive discount to win cups.

Will be interesting to see how the Marner situation plays out. So the Hawks are in the basement because of two 10.5 mil contracts. Wonder how that'll work out for the Leafs with three 11+ mil contracts.

 

[Eat The Rich]

maybe don't be such a pushover and set new precedents


I praised Dubas for Tavares signing and thought he's on his way to becoming the best GM of the Leafs, but these signings are not a win. Leafs can win cups under his watch but that doesn't mean this deal is as good as Tavares'. Look at the leafs board, its chaos and quite entertaining

Alright, well you let me know how it goes when you try to negotiate anything with a firm stance like that. You'll end up with nothing.

It's funny. He's now the 5th player (at least) in the last 3 years to receive way too much money on a contract, but somehow it's THIS one that'll ruin contract negotiations for RFA players. Wanna know why Connor McDavid was handed 12 Million dollars? Because the Oilers gave him whatever he wanted. In fact, they offered him $13M if memory serves correctly. Same thing with Leon Draisaitl. No way on Earth was he worth 8 Million dollars in 2017. Then you know what happened? The Buffalo Sabres handed Jack Eichel whatever contract he wanted. No way should he have been worth 10 Million dollars, but look at that.

Do you want to look for someone to blame for these stupid contracts? Look no further than Peter Chiarelli and the Edmonton Oilers. They set the market what it is today with their PR stunts.

 

[Holymakinaw]

By the time of this year’s elimination more and more leaf fans will rightfully turn on Matthews and Nylander. The other guys you mentioned are indeed warriors though.

Hey, not all Leaf fans expect them to win the Cup this year. But we're being put into a good position to, soon!

And we'll be fine. Thx

 

[Eat The Rich]

Same reason hometown boy Taveras left the Islanders to go to Toronto

Because they were a joke of an organization for 9 solid years all the while doing nothing to improve the team, except when it became clear that it was too late?

 

[Just Rude]

It’s not nonsense. Check the highlights of those games. With the extra attacker fceoffs were won toward him and he was beaten to the puck by players who were smaller, not as strong and not who don’t skate as well as he does. They beat him to those loose pucks by having more will and determination to win.

Even someone with limited hockey knowledge could tell you that Matthews is one of the best two-way centres in the league. But we'll take your word for it.

 

[Rubi]

Toronto has a great up and coming team and Isles we're supposed to be bad. Why leave a good team to downgrade? Hats completely different.

Sure. Keep telling yourself that for the next 5 years.... plus 5 years from now, with all the great draft picks that Arizona is accumulating, they could very well be the up and coming team.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Dubas is all about "player has to be comfortable, their choice, what the player want" etc and uses a very liberal theory when dealing with contract negotiations. Im not sure thats a very effective way of dealing with negotiations if you want the best possible contract for the team which is what his job is...
Players always want as much as possible, if you arent hard on them, the players and agents will keep pushing you even if you start higher and "give them" more early on.

There is a reason why players say arbitration is an awful thing to go thru and the team says as much bad stuff about you and your game they can without completely destroying the relationship, it works.

 

[Menzinger]

And the rest of us were told he'd sign for less than Tavares, that he'd sign for 8 years, that he'd take a massive discount to win cups.

Will be interesting to see how the Marner situation plays out. So the Hawks are in the basement because of two 10.5 mil contracts. Wonder how that'll work out for the Leafs with three 11+ mil contracts.

The Hawks aren’t in the basement because of Kane, it’s because of paying 6 million to #6/7 D man in Seabrook.

Now if Matthews stars to only have 55 point seasons like Toews you may have a point? But I’m not too worried about that.

 

[Nick Hansen]

Alright, well you let me know how it goes when you try to negotiate anything with a firm stance like that. You'll end up with nothing.

It's funny. He's now the 5th player (at least) in the last 3 years to receive way too much money on a contract, but somehow it's THIS one that'll ruin contract negotiations for UFA players. Wanna know why Connor McDavid was handed 12 Million dollars? Because the Oilers gave him whatever he wanted. In fact, they offered him $13M if memory serves correctly. Same thing with Leon Draisaitl. No way on Earth was he worth 8 Million dollars in 2017. Then you know what happened? The Buffalo Sabres handed Jack Eichel whatever contract he wanted. No way should he have been worth 10 Million dollars, but look at that.

Do you want to look for someone to blame for these stupid contracts? Look no further than Peter Chiarelli and the Edmonton Oilers. They set the market what it is today with their PR stunts.

McDavid is the best player in the world. Draisatl is paid 8.5 a year. Eichel was a bit surprising but is showing his value this year. They all agreed to term as well. Matthews got overpaid for only five years.

 

[Eat The Rich]

Why? Would Nylander really have Qwits Hockeyz if he didn't get everything he wanted? If so he shoulda sat

No. The KHL exists. The SHL exists. Pressure from above to do something with depreciating assets exists.

If Nylander had chosen to sit there are more options than simply "Nylander Qwitz Hockeyz"

Grow up.

 

[koyvoo]

Hey, not all Leaf fans expect them to win the Cup this year.

But we'll be fine. Thx

No I get it. But my point is more toward players who will be recognized as earning their money like Tavares and Rielly and Kapanen and Marner and Andersen etc. True gamers. True warriors. The Nylander and Matthews contracts will not be viewed as favourably as time goes on.

That’s why I think the 5 yr deal will actually be a blessing compared to a 8 yr deal. They won’t regret investing so much in him for as long.

 

[Daz28]

By the time of this year’s elimination more and more leaf fans will rightfully turn on Matthews and Nylander. The other guys you mentioned are indeed warriors though.

Winning playoff games is literally the only thing that matters. PPG, blah,blah, blah. There's mad pressure on these guys to perform there. Then and only then will we know who's earning their contracts. So many guys getting paid w/o proving this yet.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Couldn't get him to 6 years, where he and Tavares expire at the same time?

I don't think Matthews has proven he is worth more than 10.5, but at least they didn't go the 13M/8 yr route

13M/8 yrs would be a better deal for the Leafs than 11.63M/5 yrs.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Toronto has a great up and coming team and Isles we're supposed to be bad. Why leave a good team to downgrade? Hats completely different.

Idk, you tell us since you you have Marleau going to a team trying to reach the salary floor...

 

[King Mapes]

And the rest of us were told he'd sign for less than Tavares, that he'd sign for 8 years, that he'd take a massive discount to win cups.

Will be interesting to see how the Marner situation plays out. So the Hawks are in the basement because of two 10.5 mil contracts. Wonder how that'll work out for the Leafs with three 11+ mil contracts.

One of those guys is Toews who fell off a cliff. They did it for years and won 3 cups. So good example.

They went to cap hell in 2010 and that was the end of them. They'd have to trade everyone. They'd never win another cup. Right?

 

[Daz28]

No. The KHL exists. The SHL exists. Pressure from above to do something with depreciating assets exists.

If Nylander had chosen to sit there are more options than simply "Nylander Qwitz Hockeyz"

Grow up.

If he took a few years off of the NHL, he likely wouldn't come back and bag a fat contract. You know that.

 

[King Mapes]

Idk, you tell us since you you have Marleau going to a team trying to reach the salary floor...

Meanwhile you guys act like they can't make trades.

 

[Skin Tape Session]

SUCK IT HF

 

[glucker]

5 years is a long time.

To put that into perspective, when Tavares was 1 year into his 2nd contract with the Isles, the Leafs were struggling with Kessel and Phaneuf.
I'm just saying.

You’re right. Arizona may not even have a team by then