Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] Joe Thornton signs with the Maple Leafs (1 year, $700K) Part 2

[The CyNick]

Sit down, son. There's something we need to talk about.

You see, Thornton's beard...it's...it's gone to a better place.

His beard lived a good, long life and was well oiled and cared for. But it got old and needed to be with its own kind. Joey Thornton took it out to a field and let it free with all the other beards. It's out there with Zetterberg's and Butch Goring's beard. It's happy now.

Then it's a useless pick up

 

[Dekes For Days]

Hainsey made people think Reilly was a Norris candidate.

Wait... you think Hainsey was the one carrying Rielly?

 

[A1LeafNation]

Didn't know this was a Rielly thread but ok.

Gardiner was given PP1 time 3 years ago.

Rielly was give PP1 time 2 years ago.

Rielly gave up PP1 time to Barrie to get him going.

Rielly is a #1 dman and can put up 60+ points if played 23+ min and PP1 time like most #1 dmen.

 

[The CyNick]

Wait... you think Hainsey was the one carrying Rielly?

Not think, I know it.

Hainsey was very responsible. Covered up all those times when Reilly looks like it's his first time reading a play in the other teams zone and then gets burned. Hainsey was able to clean up those mistakes and gave Reilly freedom to rack up points. It's no coincidence once Hainsey left Reilly had his worst season in years.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Not think, I know it.

Knowing it is impossible, because it's factually not true.

It's no coincidence once Hainsey left Reilly had his worst season in years.

He was injured. It had nothing to do with his partner.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Knowing it is impossible, because it's factually not true.

He was injured. It had nothing to do with his partner.

Of course Rielly got injured without Hainsey there to remind him to stay healthy

 

[WetcoastOrca]

You guys are high as usual, Kyle is safe.

After 3 years of Lou making terrible decisions, Kyle had a f***ing hell of a mess to clean up. He's done a good job all around.

As I recall Lou left Kyle with a 105 point team and three young star players on the rise. Most GMs would kill to walk into that kind of ‘mess’.

 

[TheNumber4]

Thornton is a legend. Hope
the Toronto bubble doesn’t scapegoat him and ruin his legacy when they eventually get kicked out in round 1.

 

[A1LeafNation]

As I recall Lou left Kyle with a 105 point team and three young star players on the rise. Most GMs would kill to walk into that kind of ‘mess’.

Correct. He was given a great core in the top 6: Matthews Marner Nylander and Hyman.

Dubas did an excellent job to fill out the top 6 with Tavares and Mikheyev.

Did a great job setting up the defence for now and the future. Previous GMs did shit all with the defence.

Did a great job rebuilding the bottom 6 for now and the future with: Engvall Kerfoot Robertson Barabanov Hallander Anderson.

 

[Fatass]

Correct. He was given a great core in the top 6: Matthews Marner Nylander and Hyman.

Dubas did an excellent job to fill out the top 6 with Tavares and Mikheyev.

Did a great job setting up the defence for now and the future. Previous GMs did shit all with the defence.

Did a great job rebuilding the bottom 6 for now and the future with: Engvall Kerfoot Robertson Barabanov Hallander Anderson.

I really like the Jumbo signing, and think Dubas is making up for previous mistakes.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Correct. He was given a great core in the top 6: Matthews Marner Nylander and Hyman.

Dubas did an excellent job to fill out the top 6 with Tavares and Mikheyev.

Did a great job setting up the defence for now and the future. Previous GMs did shit all with the defence.

Did a great job rebuilding the bottom 6 for now and the future with: Engvall Kerfoot Robertson Barabanov Hallander Anderson.

The on ice results certainly don’t show that he did a ‘great job’ at anything. The D looks somewhat better and the bottom six which was a big weakness last year looks even worse. Last year Barrie was supposed to be a huge add. Let’s wait and see if there is any on ice improvement. Building a contender is about choosing the right pieces to add to the core and so far Dubas has not shown he understands how to do that.

 

[The90]

Always an excuse.

Hainsey made people think Reilly was a Norris candidate. Then Haisney was shipped out and replaced by Barrie...

If Reilly is going up against the other team's best, I think you're in trouble. But let's see what happens.

Lol Hainsey did that did he? Must be nice he held his stick to the tune of 72 points.

like what kind of mental gymnastics does one need to execute to not be able to admit he’s an excellent hockey player? Apparently it’s not very difficult gymnastics. You can be an absolute liability defensively (which rielly is not), and if you pick up 72 points as a d man, you’re obviously an exceptional talent and are probably spending more time in the other end of the ice than your own.

That’s an embarrassingly ridiculous statement. Hainsey carries no one.

 

[A1LeafNation]

The on ice results certainly don’t show that he did a ‘great job’ at anything. The D looks somewhat better and the bottom six which was a big weakness last year looks even worse. Last year Barrie was supposed to be a huge add. Let’s wait and see if there is any in ice improvement.

Did you just say the Leafs bottom 6 was worse than last year? Lol.

He just did most of the heavy lifting this off season with Brodie, Bogo, Lehtonen and the bottom 6.

His first year he added Tavares and Muzzin and added Dermott full time. Last year he added Mikeheyev and Holl to the line up time as well as a competent back up in Campbell. This was done while removed bad contracts like Zaitsev Martin and Marleau.

It's pretty a pretty good overhaul of bad contracts (look at what kind of contracts Lou is doing in NYI) to good contracts all within 2 years. Not only that the cupboard is also stocked for the foreseeable future.

He gets no credit until the season starts, but it looks like he is doing a great job so far.

 

[The90]

Did you just say the Leafs bottom 6 was worse than last year? Lol.

He just did most of the heavy lifting this off season with Brodie, Bogo, Lehtonen and the bottom 6.

His first year he added Tavares and Muzzin and added Dermott full time. Last year he added Mikeheyev and Holl to the line up time as well as a competent back up in Campbell. This was done while removed bad contracts like Zaitsev Martin and Marleau.

It's pretty a pretty good overhaul of bad contracts (look at what kind of contracts Lou is doing in NYI) to good contracts all within 2 years. Not only that the cupboard is also stocked for the foreseeable future.

He gets no credit until the season starts, but it looks like he is doing a great job so far.

The recycling of johnsson/ kapanen types for picks and prospects is going to be important going forward. Always need those in the pipeline and can’t continue to trade them off for help now

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Dthan last just say the Leafs bottom 6 was worsthan last year? Lol.

He just did most of the heavy lifting this off season with Brodie, Bogo, Lehtonen and the bottom 6.

His first year he added Tavares and Muzzin and added Dermott full time. Last year he added Mikeheyev and Holl to the line up time as well as a competent back up in Campbell. This was done while removed bad contracts like Zaitsev Martin and Marleau.

It's pretty a pretty good overhaul of bad contracts (look at what kind of contracts Lou is doing in NYI) to good contracts all within 2 years. Not only that the cupboard is also stocked for the foreseeable future.

He gets no credit until the season starts, but it looks like he is doing a great job so far.

Yes. Slower and older. And losing Kapanen and Johnston and replacing them with minimum wage guys is a big loss.
I agree he gets no credit until the on ice results improve. We heard the same thing about big improvements last off season but the on ice results were worse.

 

[al secord]

Wait... you think Hainsey was the one carrying Rielly?

You can't make this stuff up. There's being obtuse, then there's blatantly wanting people to think you're ignorant. For what gain? I'm not so sure.

 

[Cotton]

It wasn't luck it was a lack of depth the Leafs Couldn't cover for when Kadri did something stupid in the playoffs and they couldn't cover when Jake Muzzin got hurt.

If those things dont happen the Leafs win those series, or if they have NHL caliber replacements they winn those series but they did and there were no NO NHL replacements now that's not an issue

Our issue wasn’t depth, they play a trap system and clog the neutral zone, it kills our speed. We didn’t have a net front prescience and everything was kept to the outside because they clogged the middle, it made life easy for their goaltenders.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Yes. Slower and older. And losing Kapanen and Johnston and replacing them with minimum wage guys is a big loss.
I agree he gets no credit until the on ice results improve. We heard the same thing about big improvements last off season but the on ice results were worse.

Clifford is the same age as Simmonds and same speed. Robertson for Johnsson is getting younger not older.

Oh you meant Thornton for Kapanen. Yeah it works both ways.

 

[AvroArrow]

Dubas had some bad moves, namely kadri and marleau trades. overpaid on matthews marner and nylander about a couple mil aav combined.

hes made some half decent deals to make up for it tho so far and is good at drafting.



would give the dubas reign a B- to B i think

Matthews has fair value. A franchise player, being paid like one.

Nylander is a steal.

Tavares is slightly overpaid, mainly because he was a UFA and there's always teams in bidding wars. Marner slightly over paid as well.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Matthews has fair value. A franchise player, being paid like one.

Nylander is a steal.

Tavares is slightly overpaid, mainly because he was a UFA and there's always teams in bidding wars. Marner slightly over paid as well.

Tavares left money on the table (from SJ and NYI) to come here. We got him at a deal.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I don’t want Jumbo Joe on this team personally, mainly because I just don’t see what he adds.

Take the name recognition away and put his skill set and age into some random person, and is there anyway the Leafs do this?

I think so yeah, at 40 years old he had a shot at 40 points, that's a player in the lineup and that's a player that can get more than 700K

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Our issue wasn’t depth, they play a trap system and clog the neutral zone, it kills our speed. We didn’t have a net front prescience and everything was kept to the outside because they clogged the middle, it made life easy for their goaltenders.

Nah it was depth you can't have Martin Marincin as the #7 D he simply can't play, if he could the 2nd pair wouldn't have fallen apart the SECOND Marincin was inserted into the lineup.

But it did because there was no depth

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

And he could fire a rookie inexperienced AHL coach too...just saying...the bullet is pointed at others a long time before dubas

No it's not he already brought in HIS coach his head is next

 

[A1LeafNation]

No it's not he already brought in HIS coach his head is next

I think you mean Shanahan will go next. No way he is getting rid of his guy.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I think you mean Shanahan will go next. No way he is getting rid of his guy.

Shanny got a 6 year extension that he MIGHT have made it a year into before the pause.

He still has the most rope in my book.