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DeAngelo is an outspoken guy and certain fans hate him for stuff that has nothing to do with his play, based on merit he is the best dman on our team and I would never move him in a million years
Value of: Tony DeAngelo
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I may end up eating my words, but if Keane was called up because ADA is injured and ADA is out for a few games, those people in the trade ADA camp are going to see how much worse we are without him in the lineup.
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DeAngelo's having a very good offensive season, but it seems Ranger fans value him much more highly than non Ranger fans. He seems to be offered up quite a bit by Ranger fans...and the asking price is always very high. As someone who doesn't think as highly of DeAngelo, I think the asking prices are crazy and would hate to give up that much for him. (In this thread for instance, someone said his value is a "solid 1st and a really good prospect".)
I don't feel he's established himself enough yet, nor is good enough in his own end.
If he is some elite player, as many Ranger fans suggest in these threads, I'd think they'd be finding other players to trade in order to accommodate keeping DeAngelo.
I don't feel he's established himself enough yet, nor is good enough in his own end.
If he is some elite player, as many Ranger fans suggest in these threads, I'd think they'd be finding other players to trade in order to accommodate keeping DeAngelo.
Yeah, I was mostly joking as I thought we just had a ADA thread (we did) and when I looked it up I was surprised how many there were. I think the Rangers keep him and make other moves to fit him under the cap.
ADA put up 30/60 last season, so this isn’t necessarily his breakout season.
Also, the Rangers aren’t in the same situation as the Bruins were with the cap. They had to move him.
The difference between 40p and 60p is 50%. Only 6 dmen scored 60+ last season and 7 the year prior to that.
Trouba is not being moved. Neither is Fox. The reason why a few Rangers fans have been creating proposals is the depth we have at RD. Not because they want to move him.
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That's exactly what I have been trying to do.
I'd move Skjei long before I moved ADA.
I'd shift Fox to LD and pair him with ADA.
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Rakell is a bit older and only 2 more years until he hits UFA. Id want more term than that. Maybe Nikolaj Ehlers?
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DH hit 50 pts in a season, once..........in his 5th full season(341 games).......
DeAngelo is 7pts away from that currently and has played only 188 games. Chances are high he scores well over that this season in more than 100 less games played. I see ADA as being more capable as a younger player which means he should have a higher ceiling. That makes him very valuable, I'd guess more so than Hamilton.
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Dougie did it a year younger than Anthony. Not his fault he made the show before DeAngelo could
Barnaby
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No thanks. Lock him up unless someone wants to drastically overpay. Leetch was better offensively, but ADA is the best since for NYR. He’s got some grit and has only gotten better defensively. When you have a young defenseman who can drop 60 points you don’t dump him for futures or move him for a 40 point forward. I think dumping him could end up looking like the Rangers moving Zubov years ago.
Again, 60 pts is a nice production number and we have that in gustafsson, but the amount of dangerous chances he gives up when he's on his own half of the ice outweighs 60 pts of production and with only six defensemen that play on a given night you can't afford to make someone an offensive zone or PP specialist and pay him 60 pts dman cap money
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You can debate Dougie vs ADA. Clearly Hamilton is more established at this point, but keep in mind Boston was being pushed to move him when that trade was made whereas the Rangers should be able to lock ADA up. Not sure how the value is factored in Because I have no idea how many clubs were on Dougie but it’s relevant.
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I get your point and don’t disagree but I don’t see ADA as a liability. I’m not saying he’s Lindholm by any means, but he’s capable defensively and getting better.
Oh well, just another guy fans don’t agree on.
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pld459666
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not gonna quote a slew of peeps.
A few pts IMO:
I disagree that we do not want to move Deangelo. Consider:
The expansion draft is a yr + away. While that is still time enuf to juggle things, getting that house in order now will be easier than later. Now the competing clubs don't care, they're going for a Cup run. Later, they will have to face reality as will all teams. It behooves us to better control the situation with moves now.
Let's acid test that first.
Trouba is 90+% certain to be here and protected.
He has NMC and only hometown Detroit was a possible he'd consider besides NYR when forcing 'peg's hand. But let's assume he has to be protected.
Lindgren must be protected. Thankfully Fox is exempt as is Rykov and our emerging prospects. Deadwood vets will be gone.
So assuming we move Skjei that leaves for our 3rd and final exemption Hajek, who is elc and Deangelo, who is gonna start to get paid. Doesn't look like it's a hard choice, does it?
Except that is tantamount to giving away 1st round value for nothing if we leave Hajek for Seattle.
We could trade Hajek for a future, but given we stupidly held onto Staal and instead bought out RD Shattenkirk, Hajek is behind on ice time, so his worth is underdeveloped.
By comparison, selling Deangelo high resolves that prob, esp if you are looking at picks and exempt prospects.
In theory if Deangelo did a Burns in reverse and moved from D to W, he would not have to be protected as a D, but rather as an F, which is easier given there are, if I am not mistaken, 7 protection slots available. However, he has to demonstrate [I think it is x number of minutes in y number of games] playing in that position for not only next season, but this one as well, and setting aside how impractical it is to stop everything on a dime and re-set, I don't think there are enough games for this to actually get done this year.
Now it would not be end of the world to sell low on Hajek if we had to, but why go there and take a loss if we don't have to? It would be smarter to develop Hajek and keep/sell high on him later.
The other factor is salary and cap.
We need $ for flexibility on Kreider, Dea if we keep him, and general elbow room.
Assuming Staal and Hank play out the string on their deals, we may be able to move an expiring Smith a little early for a late pick. That's an option if we need to be a little creative a bit early. But we will need to likely move, in addition to Skjei, Fs Buchnevich and Strome. This should not be a prob if GMJG is not greedy pushing for every nickel. We don't have to give guys away, but we waited too long to move like Namest for a mid pick. Once we were forced to go there, we should have tried to flip him ASAP. There were no takers. Then not only did we extend for too much, we didn't move him more quickly, which I gather was doable if we would have taken a 6th or even a 7th. This is a hard cap league, and cap flexibility is paramount. Should have gone there long ago.
As relates to Deangelo, obviously, while his next deal can go for as little as 4m only for next season IF it is the start of an escalating package, it would be better to sell high, profit, and see if we can turn that into cap savings short term going forward.
That leaves the ? of deal him now or later.
Now, for 3 clear reasons.
a) his value is not likely to go up during off season compared to now
b) his production is useful to the acquiring team, and if that is applicable to a cup run, that is not unimportant
c) we get to relieve some of the log jam, so Keane gets 9 games, Hajek can get important games in
d) while it is a very, very small possible concern, trading Deangelo now eliminates mathematical possibility of injury which could impact value during off season, esp if injury is kind that is 'show me' he's recovered and in good form.
So now that the argument is made we should move him, the ? remains what is the best return...………[?]
A few pts IMO:
I disagree that we do not want to move Deangelo. Consider:
The expansion draft is a yr + away. While that is still time enuf to juggle things, getting that house in order now will be easier than later. Now the competing clubs don't care, they're going for a Cup run. Later, they will have to face reality as will all teams. It behooves us to better control the situation with moves now.
Let's acid test that first.
Trouba is 90+% certain to be here and protected.
He has NMC and only hometown Detroit was a possible he'd consider besides NYR when forcing 'peg's hand. But let's assume he has to be protected.
Lindgren must be protected. Thankfully Fox is exempt as is Rykov and our emerging prospects. Deadwood vets will be gone.
So assuming we move Skjei that leaves for our 3rd and final exemption Hajek, who is elc and Deangelo, who is gonna start to get paid. Doesn't look like it's a hard choice, does it?
Except that is tantamount to giving away 1st round value for nothing if we leave Hajek for Seattle.
We could trade Hajek for a future, but given we stupidly held onto Staal and instead bought out RD Shattenkirk, Hajek is behind on ice time, so his worth is underdeveloped.
By comparison, selling Deangelo high resolves that prob, esp if you are looking at picks and exempt prospects.
In theory if Deangelo did a Burns in reverse and moved from D to W, he would not have to be protected as a D, but rather as an F, which is easier given there are, if I am not mistaken, 7 protection slots available. However, he has to demonstrate [I think it is x number of minutes in y number of games] playing in that position for not only next season, but this one as well, and setting aside how impractical it is to stop everything on a dime and re-set, I don't think there are enough games for this to actually get done this year.
Now it would not be end of the world to sell low on Hajek if we had to, but why go there and take a loss if we don't have to? It would be smarter to develop Hajek and keep/sell high on him later.
The other factor is salary and cap.
We need $ for flexibility on Kreider, Dea if we keep him, and general elbow room.
Assuming Staal and Hank play out the string on their deals, we may be able to move an expiring Smith a little early for a late pick. That's an option if we need to be a little creative a bit early. But we will need to likely move, in addition to Skjei, Fs Buchnevich and Strome. This should not be a prob if GMJG is not greedy pushing for every nickel. We don't have to give guys away, but we waited too long to move like Namest for a mid pick. Once we were forced to go there, we should have tried to flip him ASAP. There were no takers. Then not only did we extend for too much, we didn't move him more quickly, which I gather was doable if we would have taken a 6th or even a 7th. This is a hard cap league, and cap flexibility is paramount. Should have gone there long ago.
As relates to Deangelo, obviously, while his next deal can go for as little as 4m only for next season IF it is the start of an escalating package, it would be better to sell high, profit, and see if we can turn that into cap savings short term going forward.
That leaves the ? of deal him now or later.
Now, for 3 clear reasons.
a) his value is not likely to go up during off season compared to now
b) his production is useful to the acquiring team, and if that is applicable to a cup run, that is not unimportant
c) we get to relieve some of the log jam, so Keane gets 9 games, Hajek can get important games in
d) while it is a very, very small possible concern, trading Deangelo now eliminates mathematical possibility of injury which could impact value during off season, esp if injury is kind that is 'show me' he's recovered and in good form.
So now that the argument is made we should move him, the ? remains what is the best return...………[?]
Return for Deangelo should be a 2020 1st, presumably mod to late, + some additional significant add.
in the prior thread auction style, I suggested we try to focus on his value in a vacuum beforehand, but there was not enough for consensus. Methinks now all offers should be evaluated, including those in packages.
in the prior thread auction style, I suggested we try to focus on his value in a vacuum beforehand, but there was not enough for consensus. Methinks now all offers should be evaluated, including those in packages.
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