Value of: Tony DeAngelo

Discussion in 'Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk' started by AirGut, Feb 14, 2020 at 11:12 AM.

  1. Pia8988

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    They also got Raanta who they saw as their #1. People also weren't as high on 2017 as they are about this year.
     
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    good points, but ADA is a lot better and younger than Stepan at the time of the trade.
     
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    Why don’t we wait to see Hajek become an NHL regular before we move ADA to hang onto him. He may not even be someone Seattle is interested in by the expansion draft.
     
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    Hajek should get traded to be honest because Rykov is much better. And he and ADA play different sides.
     
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    I don’t think Hajek has much value today. I’d certainly listen though. No one has seen Rykov in an NHL game yet so juries out on him to for the moment. Injury held him back...
     
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    Red Wings want talent upgrade. Unless I missed something, they have room as to who they protect for exp draft. Therefore, IF Trouba were to consent to go home could a big deal be possible? [Not clear, where is his woman (fiancée? wife?) in terms of study/work; will she keep him here in NYC or can they relocate to DET?]

    As relates to this thread, Deangelo could be added to Trouba with + . The return to NY would be Hronek and Seider +, Of course, you need to approach cap balance and Wings would want something to offset loss of elc years. So expiring Green goes to NYR, along with Athanasiou + Helm. Rangers send over Hajek [LD they'll want] + Buchnevich + Strome [rfa].

    So final is
    Deangelo + Trouba + Hajek + Buchnevich + Strome
    rough ballpark a bit over 15m cap
    for
    Hronek + Seider + Green + Athanasiou + Helm
    rough ballpark a bit over 12m cap

    that's 3m but I think it's close enuf Wings can juggle it
    [NY could take on more enlarging the deal, but 5 apiece is good cuttoff for a big deal, mindful of course, this could be restructured into 2 or 3 smaller deals.]

    The deal has risk/reward for both sides.
    Trouba is a physical presence.
    Seider is big, but is he more Hedman skater type, or is he also a crease clearer?
    Deangelo is a known commodity, but Hronek strikes me as another Fox.
    There is some gamble here but if Keane,, Miller and others are tough as advertised, this works long term.

    NY can afford to lose on the other assets to recover elc years on primary assets returned, so they win, in theory. If possible move expiring Green for a 7th, a bit more if we eat half. Now we are ahead of the curve for the exp draft.
    Deal Skjei/+ to Canes for a 2020 1st/+ and we are mostly done.

    Wings want to add talent to roster, so they also win.

    win-win
    ...on paper...
     
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    Trade Kreider not ADA......and we are not moving ADA to wing. He is way more valuable to us as a defender.
     
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    While it should not be the dominant factor dictating our moves, logically, it makes more sense to play Hajek and see what he is/looks like.

    Of course to do that Skjei for starters should go, then see what Dea fetches
     
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    If you're referring to a stat that shows DeAngelo is actually a net negative player, I would like to see it.
     
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    NYR will sign him for cheap-ish is what I think. He seems to love it there.
     
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    They did play Hajek and he lost his spot on a rather weak LD core...
     
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    Bern you won't get Seider from the Wings. This Yzerman you're trading with, not Holland.

    I think he is going to be one of the top D-men in the league in a few years.
     
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    You worry WAY too much about the expansion draft. The Rangers can simply trade a 2nd or 3rd round pick to have Seattle take the player they ask them to.
     
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    yes, and he got outplayed by Lindgren who was supposed to be lesser caliber prospect.
     
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    All this Rangers speculation makes my head spin sometimes, we seem to be at a point where there are multiple routes to take. What scares me the most is making a wrong move and, like a tower of cards, everything else falling.
     
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    Hajek still has to play 58 NHL games by the end of next season to be eligible for expansion draft.

    Contracted players needs to have played 70 NHL games in the 2 seasons before or 40 games in 1 season before to be eligible for expansion draft. If they dont then they do not need to be protected as Seattle cant select them.

    I dont see Hajek playing 40 games next season ahead of Rykov or Lindgren. He will be an NHLr and good for us but just not ready yet.
     
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    We are in a great position for the expansion as we dont have any major players at risk.
     
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    Interesting.

    Except TDA's xGA would be the 2nd best on CHI and his HDCA and HDCF% are better than Gustafsson.

    So yeah, TDA has 43 pts while EG has 25 and he's doing it without being the trainwreck defensively that EG is.
     
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    No doubt TDA is having a breakout season. He seems to run a top 10 PP very well. Generating 14 PP points already which does pad the stats. What's even better to see his is plus 12 at this time on an ok at best defensive team. The blueshirts have an interesting decision on this guy. TDA gambled on his ability this summer and played chicken with the ranger brass and will be looking for his payday soon enough.
     
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    Funny you mention the PP points as padding his stats as ADA points are actually the highest in EVP to PPP ratio among the top 19 defensive point scorers in the league.

    Which means that ADA power play points only contribute 31.8% of his points. No other dman in the top 19 point scorers has a better ratio. Not even Hedman, Carlson, Hughes etc.
     
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    Why does he not have much value? Would you say he as as much value as Jake Bean, Olli Juolevi, Logan Stanley etc?

    All these players were drafted above him and havent even cracked the NHL yet. Hajek has shown he can handle it and only lost his spot because he got injured and Lindgren has been solid.
     
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    No doubt the guy has earned his payday. Good to see someone gamble on their ability and come out on top. The few times I have looked his TOI was not as high most of the time vrs the other 5 starting dman. Not sure if this was an outlier when I checked but does Quinn put him out there protecting leads? Have not watched many ranger games this year unfortunately
     
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    It really varies. Quinn is the kinda coach that players minutes are affected by their performances on the day regardless of how consistent they have been playing in games before.

    Last few games ADA has been playing around 20mins a night but last week he was playing around 17/18 mins a night.
     
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    He is not exempt from the expansion draft. The 70/40 numbers are for players that must be exposed. As in each team has to have a certain number of players on the team who meet the exposure requirements.
    That has nothing to do with players that are exempt.

    He was an age 20+ player playing in the AHL last year. That means that season counted as an accrued year of professional hockey.
    Last year mainly in the AHL and this year split between leagues and next year is 3 years of professional accrued seasons. He will require protection. Players 19 and younger playing in the AHL do not accrue a year of professional experience according to the CBA. He was a 20 year old when his season in the AHL started last year.
     

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