Undertakerqc
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I'm still very against tanking. I'm also skeptical about the concept of "surgical tanking" - has any team actually done this? Any tanking I can think of is sloppy and unintentional.
I think the fact that it would be a bizarre & unconventional season with only 50 games over 4 months at most makes it easier to adopt that line of thinking. Tougher sell if you are looking at 82 games and 6 months of it.
Why would that matter?
The idea that a 50 game season is less meaningful than an 82 game season is barely statistically correct. You get sqrt(50/82)=~80% as much statistical diagnostic power in the regular season, and the playoffs are still the playoffs, 4 best of 7 series before the brass ring.
I think you missed my point. I was trying to say that suffering through 50 games of bad hockey is easier than suffering through 82 games of bad hockey.
I think you missed my point. I was trying to say that suffering through 50 games of bad hockey is easier than suffering through 82 games of bad hockey.
i like bad hockey over mediocre hockey. if there is a season, is there any big contract that could be dealt at the deadline?
Well he does not make it better with his -20 last year.
If he misses any gametime, the habs will be a better team. If there is a season.
I love how people use a player's +/- to try to prove a point that X player sucks defensively. Too bad +/- is a flawed statistic and entirely contextual depending on the team's success, it's just a number that doesn't give you the whole story. And it's not like I'm revealing the secret of the Heinz ketchup recipe here, it's pretty much common sense that +/- is a useless stat to rely on. Just by looking at the players who lead that stat shows you how flawed it is, here's a list of the players who've had the best +/- in the league in recent years:
- Patrice Bergeron (+36) with 4 other Boston Bruins players in the top 5, shows how it goes with the success of the team.
- Zdeno Chara (+33), Tony Lidman in 3rd place with +32.
- Jeff Schultz (+50), a player that Caps fan on this board want to desperately get rid of. Obviously a result of a very gifted offensively Washington team.
- David Krejci (+37).
Those are winners in the last 4 seasons, the fact that Jeff Schultz belongs on that list shows how much of a joke that statistic really is. A player like Pavel Datsyuk who's known to be one of the best defensive forwards out there in the league and recipient of the Frank J. Selke trophy 3 times has had an average +/- of 16, yet a player like Alexander Ovechkin who's not really known for his defensive prowess has averaged a +/- of 20 in the last 3 seasons. It just shows you it all depends on well the team is doing. Before last season, Plekanec had a +33 career +/-. His -15 is entirely based on the fact that the team gave him bad wingers and the team as a whole did BAD. It's easier to have a good +/- when your coach gives you favorable match-ups against 3rd lines and bottom pairing defensemen than when you have to constantly face the opposing team's best players every night. Especially when you have to not only defend against them but score too, but that's kinda hard when your wingers are Ryan White and a disinterested Rene Bourque.
+/- is not perfect but its a good indication especialy when he is supposed to be a great defensive player as many Pleks lovers say. And when you compare is +/- to most of his teammate he fares very poorly. But what i dislike the most about him his how soft he is. A girlie like he said about himself a few years ago.
A Plekanec thread and of course Patof has some negative things to say
Anyways I'm ok with this cause I would love another top 5 picks to add to this great young prospect pool we have
Brad Staubitz was a +2 in his time with Montreal so by your logic he's a better player defensively than Plekanec and his -15?
No but compare him to the other full time centers...
Well he does not make it better with his -20 last year.
Like Eric Staal?
Well he does not make it better with his -20 last year.
Sucks to hear, he was tearing up the Czech league. Hopefully he has a quick recovery.
He was -15 this year. That's the lowest he's ever been. If you want to use something that's as useless as +/-, then what does the +18 over his career mean?
But you know who was -20? Eric Staal. Guess he sucks too.
I find it hard to believe anybody could be swayed by short-term pain in that way. It really shouldn't matter.
I give you Plekanec and i'll take Staal. Anyday.