Confirmed Signing with Link: Tom Wilson Part II

[YP44]

This is a bad contract, unless Tom Wilson improves drastically. Then it would be an average contract.

Hey, I get it, if the Jets won the SC, I'd want every single player locked up until the end of time. What baffles me is that they didn't extend Trotz.

he's still young enough he could, but man this looks bad.

 

[StephenPeat]

The same thing the Islanders did by signing Cizikas for 5 years and Clutterbuck for 5 years. Well , the same except for the Cup win and one good playoff run .

LGI

Do we have to wait for one season without Tavares to play out to add Josh Bailey to this list?

 

[Sparksrus3]

Ouch.
Who would you want for the next 30 million dollars Bailey or Wilson ?

 

[Ridley Simon]

It makes Tom Wilson the 125th ranked ES scoring forward last season. 140th overall.

Not exactly a showing I'd consider worth $5M, but as I've said earlier, there's a lot of overpaid guys in the league. TB has one of the worse contracts in the league period, so it's not like we're strangers to it or anything.

Caps fans have always had this kind of weird inferiority complex, and the responses from some of them in this thread are no different. You guys are like ultra rabidly trying to defend the contract when it doesn't even matter.

This is a hockey message board where fans of all teams come to discuss hockey. The overwhelming majority of people participating in this discussion feel that this is an overpay for Wilson. It doesn't mean Caps fans don't like Wilson, or shouldn't like him, or be unhappy with the contract, or whatever. It just means that most people think he's overpaid. Some people (lots of them Caps fans, oddly enough) don't think he's overpaid and that's excellent. Enjoy your player. It's a gamble contract for the Caps. If he builds on it, it looks fine. If he doesn't, it continues to look awful.

no different than the guys that try to ultra-rabidly criticize the contract....and there is a lot of that going on too, wouldnt you say?

125th in forward for ES pts. So....squarely in the middle of 2nd line forward pay (for arguments sakes. 94-186 in forward scoring....to keep it simple.). 5m for that, on a brand new signed contract (6.5% of the current sal cap) seems.....ok? Not a bargain obviously, but not horribad either. Just based on merit.

I think Terrible Tom was also top 10 (ish) for ES pts/60. Ahead of a LOT of guys. Again, that fits.

Shrug.

 

[theVladiator]

Seems high-ish, but only until you remember that it covers 3UFA years. Anyone who saw him last year knows he looked the part as top 6. And his numbers (for some reason knocked here) come out somewhere around an average top4 forward in the league (#120 ES scoring, is it?). Who signs top 6 guys for less than $4M these days? I guess if you just look up "career scoring" it may seem outrageous, so for some folks it will just take a few years to accept Wilson as a top 6 guy. Gotta have a few strong lines in that "career scoring" table to make it obvious for those who do not watch the Caps.

Wish the Wings had somebody like Wilson. Somebody who can play big minutes and keep the opposition D soft and jittery.

Anyhow, I think it was either $4M x 3 or $5M x 6, Caps chose the latter and we'll see if it was the right call in due time.

I am also wondering if this will give him "star" status in DPS eyes.

 

[Ridley Simon]

The Oilers have nothing to do with this. The Oilers arent a good team. But it is interesting yo bring this up. I saw the similar excuses being made by Oiler fans when Lucic was signed and I was saying how bad of a contract is it was. So the similarities are funny to see. In addition, Tom Wilson hasnt done anything to anger me as an Oiler fan. Its just purely a horrible contract and this thread is the discussion on his contract

3 things.

I bolded your comment about the Caps never sniffing a Stanley Cup again. Not sure what THAT had to do with Tom Wilson's contract (Certainly dont tell me it's inhibited this coming years squad, which now has 23 players under contract with 1.1m in cap room left). SO>>> you decided to take a jab at the team. Which again has nothing to so with the discussion on the Wilson contract.....so the Oilers coming up seemed appropriate.

Lucic was 29. Wilson is 24. Is that the same, to you?

Re: Wilson-- let's hear how his being 125th in ES scoring for all skaters (squarely 2nd line production) and his being top 10 in ES pts/game...dont count. Lets just focus on the negatives?

 

[Ridley Simon]

Wanna see something even more devasting:

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You dont get it.

When a guy is 24....you are paying for what you think he will become. Not what he's done.

Caps GM seems to get that, for the most part. The Kuznetsov and Orlov contracts come to mind, as ones that were also derided by this board. Now they already look like bargains. This one is certainly more aggressive, but the Caps GM has been killing it for 4 years.

He's earned the cred to call his shots in the manner he sees fit (altho maybe HF poster Aceboogie is similarly accomplished at.....something).

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Part 2 That's sad.

But I'm still laughing about this contract and people defending it.

 

[Ridley Simon]

This thread is going to be absolutely golden to look back on in 2 years. I want to invent a time machine solely so I can go 2 years in the future to witness Caps fans obliterating MacLllan for this contract

be careful what you wish for. Might not be MacLellan that should get obliterated.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Holy what a bad deal. This will become one of the worst contracts in the league very soon

The downfall of every cup winner is the signing of depth players to massive contracts after one good playoff run. This contract will make Villie Leinos deal seem reasonable

Yeah it's pretty bad but one of the worst? I think that's a bit of an overstatement.

 

[Mikeaveli]

Bickell 2.0

 

[Ridley Simon]

Im not going to bother learning to spell the name of some GM whos going to be fired in a year anyway. Ill learn the correct spelling off the next Capitals GM

Now you are just being purposely obtuse. I will wager you anything you want, the GMBM certanly wont be fired in a year. he wont be fired in 2 years.....he wont be fired in 5 years. Good Lord

 

[Aceboogie]

be careful what you wish for. Might not be MacLellan that should get obliterated.

I actually dont even need to build a time machine. I can just go back to the Bickell threads and substitute Bickell with Wilson and 4 mil with 5 mil, and its done

 

[tony d]

He's a good player but that's a huge overpayment for him

 

[Aceboogie]

Now you are just being purposely obtuse. I will wager you anything you want, the GMBM certanly wont be fired in a year. he wont be fired in 2 years.....he wont be fired in 5 years. Good Lord

He should be fired in a year if these type of moves continue. But I will also easily take the 5 year bet. GMs after cup wins get crazy stupid and this is where the downfall of teams comes from.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Tell me more, this is fascinating.

As opposed to the Oilers, correct?

One of the things that Tom Wilson consistently does well....is anger every opposing fan base going. Doesnt even need to be one that watches him play their favourite team.

Where do you get this from? Ain't nobody mad, just delusional. But whafever makes you feel better.

 

[third man in]

Seems high-ish, but only until you remember that it covers 3UFA years. Anyone who saw him last year knows he looked the part as top 6. And his numbers (for some reason knocked here) come out somewhere around an average top4 forward in the league (#120 ES scoring, is it?). Who signs top 6 guys for less than $4M these days? I guess if you just look up "career scoring" it may seem outrageous, so for some folks it will just take a few years to accept Wilson as a top 6 guy. Gotta have a few strong lines in that "career scoring" table to make it obvious for those who do not watch the Caps.

Wish the Wings had somebody like Wilson. Somebody who can play big minutes and keep the opposition D soft and jittery.

Anyhow, I think it was either $4M x 3 or $5M x 6, Caps chose the latter and we'll see if it was the right call in due time.

I am also wondering if this will give him "star" status in DPS eyes.

Good post, except for it's 4 years of UFA years.

Wilson is a very unique case. Not only is he a unique player with I would say zero comparables right now, but he doesn't have the career numbers to back this deal up (from the outside looking in anyways).

Fans that have followed his career closely know what he's about and are expecting continued growth.

 

[Revelation]

I actually dont even need to build a time machine. I can just go back to the Bickell threads and substitute Bickell with Wilson and 4 mil with 5 mil, and its done

The guy who had MS? That's your comparable? You need a brain transplant not a time machine lol

 

[Jim Bob]

Bickell 2.0

Bickell was 27yo when he signed his one big contract (4x$4M).

Wilson is three years younger and only got two more years.

Wilson got just a bit less than Brandon Saad did when he got his sizable 6 year deal in Columbus at 23yo.

 

[Aceboogie]

The guy who had MS? That's your comparable? You need a brain transplant not a time machine lol

Lmao, Bryan Bickell was diagnosed with MS in 2016. This was after 4 poor seasons with the Hawks and being traded as a cap dump to the Canes. Bickell himself said he only noticed the effects in the 2015 playoffs

 

[Revelation]

Lmao, Bryan Bickell was diagnosed with MS in 2016. This was after 4 poor seasons with the Hawks and being traded as a cap dump to the Canes. Bickell himself said he only noticed the effects in the 2015 playoffs

You realize he had it before then right? It takes a while even for normal people to notice effects let alone hockey players who constantly get banged up and concussed. And he got his contract following a monster 2013 cup run, which would could put him having it as soon as his first or 2nd post cup season. Not to mention him and Wilson are very different players.

Either way, we'll enjoy our cup winning top line RW fixture for the next 6 years, you enjoy throwing garbage next to McDavid and flaming out over and over.

 

[HandsomeTom43]

It's not my money, good for Tom. We got our cup this year.

I think objectively Caps fans wanted Tom to come in around 4mil, but we knew that wasn't going to happen, it just wasn't. He is overpaid by 1-0.5 mil depending on who you ask. If Tom is 20/20 guy for the remainder of the contract and brings his physicality then he is easily overplaying his contract. His sandpaper is unique to the Caps, not to mention there's not another player in the league who everyone fears, you all can deny that all you want, but it was clear in the playoffs. He made shit happen and he scares other players, he causes a lot of plays to go the other way for good scoring chances, and his puck skills are still coming along.

Someone else said the Caps don't win without Tom Wilson, I think I agree with that. This year was a full team effort, every man needed. If you all want to shit on this contract, I won't really blame you--it's not good, but I feel like most of it though is just trying to make you all feel better about your own team's struggles. Please, continue to tear down the CHAMPS!

 

[Revelation]

I don't know why my fellow caps fans are even wasting their time trying to convince the haters, let them remain just that. The crying about Wilson will continue as long as he's on the ice not playing for their team.

Pretty much, he could win another cup scoring at a 60 point pace in the playoffs while knocking entire teams off the ice (not even that much of a stretch considering he just did it lol) and people would still think he's overpaid and McLellan is a horrible GM.

 

[Revelation]

Ouch.
Who would you want for the next 30 million dollars Bailey or Wilson ?

Wilson, we have like 4 Josh Baileys already and were full of Josh Baileys every year we were eliminated. He also fell off the face of the earth towards the real season while Wilson only got better and better

 

[SlimCharles]

The dude is a beast, the reactions you see from people are exactly what Tom wants. He's a professional troll who is pretty damn good at hockey too. His job is to get under skin and stay there, hit people, occasionally score. I understand why people think the contract sucks, it's a little high on AAV and it's a pretty long deal at 6 years. If Wilson's scoring continues to improve I think it will be worth it, but it's definitely a gamble from the Capitals.