OT: To Trotz or not to Trotz

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Trotz wouldn't help. I'm done with Sullivan but these old spoiled f***s aren't going to play for a guy like that. And frankly it would be even worse eye poison than this if I had to guess.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I mean, I was on the record of being pretty skeptical about being owned by a bunch of venture capitalist vultures, but I was completely wrong about their methods of being shittay.

 

[BusinessGoose]

FSG has a hoard of finance and investment nerds at their disposal. They didn't buy the Penguins without knowing absolutely without question that the team was headed for a huge drop off and inevitable rebuild. They bought a team that's struggled to sell out the arena for a while now, were three consecutive 1st round losses deep at the time of the purchase, and Sid/Geno/Letang were already well into the twilight of their careers. Chalk up another 1st round exit this past spring, and they not only kept the FO, but signed the coach to an extension before his current deal was even up, and allowed said FO to basically plonk together the same team more or less for another go.

I think anybody that's hoping FSG steps in and rights this ship has gotta take off the black and gold glasses and put down their Sid body pillow. Era's over, it's on cruise control from here on out. The most I think we'll see is Hextall fired by the New Year if the team keeps struggling. Sully's safe forever, accept it. They'll start caring about the team's performance once the rebuild kicks in and the team starts building up to contend again in like 7 years, after they've hashed out all of their real estate plans.

I mean, I was on the record of being pretty skeptical about being owned by a bunch of venture capitalist vultures, but I was completely wrong about their methods of being shittay.

f***

Pens to Kansas City or Hamilton again

Downtown filled with "luxury" 5-over-1 condos

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I mean, I was on the record of being pretty skeptical about being owned by a bunch of venture capitalist vultures, but I was completely wrong about their methods of being shittay.

I'm just surprised because how they're running the Pens seems counter to how they run their other major sports teams. Or at least that was the "reputation" people kept telling us about.

 

[Pens x]

I'm just surprised because how they're running the Pens seems counter to how they run their other major sports teams. Or at least that was the "reputation" people kept telling us about.

People around here like to act like they are experts on everything. This is just another one of many countless examples of people posting about nothing they know about.

FSG will fire Sully if he sucks, they have deep pockets!

False

 

[gdsmack267]

Its going to be Todd Reirden since hes been so elite coaching this PP

 

[Allie Kitsune]

I mean, I was on the record of being pretty skeptical about being owned by a bunch of venture capitalist vultures, but I was completely wrong about their methods of being shittay.

Speaking of that... They're selling off Liverpool.

 

[molon labe]

We traded for pieces to make Sully work...so I'm sure we could do the same to get Trotz to work....but that's the thing - just trading out Sully (who IS a good coach) isn't going to change a whole lot.

Our top guys are doing their job (outside the power play...er bathroom break). Our D Corps and bottom 6 flat out suck and our goaltending is mediocre at best.

Is what it is.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I'd love to see a huge firing and just Bring Trotz In with a New GM who would become President style or tell Hextall he's moving to President for Trotz to be GM in a year or 2.

I'd love a move like that.

It won't happen though.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

If you're gonna hire Trotz, he's gonna demand partial or majority control over the GMing duties as well. Which is fine, because I'm not convinced anything about this team should be off limits. I just think you're staring down a multi-year reshaping of this roster to be more in line with what Trotz wants/needs in order to get his system and style running efficiently, and with the age of the core, I don't think you've got that kinda time.

Again, if they really wanted to shift the paradigm and go in a dramatically different direction, the time to do it was after Sullivan JJ-Schultz'd this team to a laugher against the Habs and JR was years into his GM psychosis. Too little, too late now.

 

[steelcityassault]

Friedman recently said that Trotz wants a role where he starts as a head coach and transitions to GM

He also said Boston did their due diligence big time before signing Mitch whatever

 

[pistolpete11]

The Capitals were 6th, 2nd, 3rd, and 9th in goals for under Trotz. I don't agree at all that he would automatically turn the Pens into the 2-1 snoozefest everyone claims. He did that with the Islanders because the only offensive star they had was Barzal. Lee, Nelson, Pageau, etc. These guys were in the league for years before Trotz got there and were nothing more than 40-50point type guys (although granted Nelson and Lee are off to great starts this year). The Pens, while older, are a lot closer in terms of offensive talent to the Trotz Capitals than the Trotz Islanders.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

He also said Boston did their due diligence big time before signing Mitch whatever

To be fair to Friedman, Sweeney, Neely and the scumbag kid's agent all said the same thing. You can only report on what your sources tell you.

Digging into the claims and going in depth like that is more a Westhead thing than a Friedman thing.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

If and when the team shifts gears and makes a coaching change, I hope it's some coach nobody's heard of that has a knack for developing prospects and getting the most out of guys offensively. I'm not sure I really want a Trotz in charge of the next chapter, which is rapidly approaching, considering his tendencies as a coach. I'm absolutely sure I don't want Sully in charge of that.

If you make a switch between now and next summer to go after Trotz, you're locking yourself into a coach for a good half decade most likely--and this team still has to pay Sullivan through 2027. You'd better be sure the next coach, whoever it is, isn't gonna give younger players and/or prospects the cold shoulder.

 

[HandshakeLine]

"Was a good coach" and "is a good coach currently" and "can be a good coach for another team" are all very similar, yet very different things.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Trotz wants an opening for the GM gig. He would want to transition. Not sure if that's possible here.

 

[BusinessGoose]

TBH, I'm fine if sully is fired

I'm really not sure i want Trotz though. He's too old to rebuild this shit, there aren't enough years left for him to keep working that it would take to fix this crap.

And GMJR screwed any GM here for next four years anyway.

So what do you do? Psssh. I'm a fan. I get to gloat or bitch. They don't pay me to fix this.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

TBH, I'm fine if sully is fired

I'm really not sure i want Trotz though. He's too old to rebuild this shit, there aren't enough years left for him to keep working that it would take to fix this crap.

And GMJR screwed any GM here for next four years anyway.

So what do you do? Psssh. I'm a fan. I get to gloat or bitch. They don't pay me to fix this.

I think results would improve under Trotz, but we'd become boring af. We'd hold leads better.
We watch to be entertained though, so it kinda defeats the purpose.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I think results would improve under Trotz, but we'd become boring af. We'd hold leads better.
We watch to be entertained though, so it kinda defeats the purpose.

I mean, they're already boring to watch. I'd take boring to watch and winning over boring to watch and constantly blowing leads.

That's my issue with this team under Sullivan for the last however many seasons. It's not even *just* the lack of playoff success, it's that too often this team is a chore to even watch. We're not losing exciting games, we're losing and playing a style that makes watching paint dry for 2 hours look more appealing.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I mean, they're already boring to watch. I'd take boring to watch and winning over boring to watch and constantly blowing leads.

That's my issue with this team under Sullivan for the last however many seasons. It's not even *just* the lack of playoff success, it's that too often this team is a chore to even watch. We're not losing exciting games, we're losing and playing a style that makes watching paint dry for 2 hours look more appealing.

Not always. We've scored 5 or 6 goals in 5 of the 12 games.
With Trotz you're aiming for 2-1, 2-0 or 3-1.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Not always. We've scored 5 or 6 goals in 5 of the 12 games.
With Trotz you're aiming for 2-1, 2-0 or 3-1.

I think this is an oversimplification of Trotz's coaching. I don't recall the Caps being a boring trap team when he was coaching them.

People only remember his Islanders tenure and forget the fact that roster isn't very talented so he had to play a really over the top "defensive" style with them. With the Caps it was more about making sure they were responsible defensively, but I don't recall them being boring.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I don't watch just to see the team win. Entertainment, for me, isn't derived purely from the wins-losses columns. I'd take watching this team lose 7-6 for 82 games a year while playing exciting, creative hockey over watching a trapping slogfest that slops up the neutral zone and obstructs guys all night long. Big yawn on that. My name's not going on the Cup, I don't really give a shit about winning at all costs.

I'm not at all convinced this team is built for Trotz hockey anyway. His style relies on much better goaltending than these two schlubs, and forwards being disciplined about coming back and helping out defensively. I still think the team would hire Trotz, hoping to get the success he's been known for recently, but end up getting some watered down version of his style more akin to Johnston-era hockey than anything resembling the Isles team that made it to within a game of the Cup Finals.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I think this is an oversimplification of Trotz's coaching. I don't recall the Caps being a boring trap team when he was coaching them.

People only remember his Islanders tenure and forget the fact that roster isn't very talented so he had to play a really over the top "defensive" style with them. With the Caps it was more about making sure they were responsible defensively, but I don't recall them being boring.

Well, I'm not really attached to Sullivan anymore so whatever I guess. Try it if he wants to come here.

 

[66-30-33]

Maybe Trotz would get us past the first round...

Maybe...

 

[Pens x]

Its going to be Todd Reirden since hes been so elite coaching this PP

He also fixes dmen. Can’t forget that garbage theory,