Tribute Timothy Liljegren Discussion

[IPS]

Every time someone's ready to give up on a PMD at such a young age just bring up Duncan Keith.

Guy played like a chicken with his head cut off early in his career (strangely enough kind of like Dermott nowadays) and then out of nowhere started blossoming into a top-5 D in the league.

 

[LeafGrief]

Every time someone's ready to give up on a PMD at such a young age just bring up Duncan Keith.

Guy played like a chicken with his head cut off early in his career (strangely enough kind of like Dermott nowadays) and then out of nowhere started blossoming into a top-5 D in the league.

Dermott has so many tools, it’s a bummer he hasn’t figured it out yet but the potential is obviously there. Not Kieth potential, but Dermott could still be a very good player in the league for a long time. He’s not even at 150 games played and young defenders development is so much rockier than forwards. Patience will be rewarded with him.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Dermott has so many tools, it’s a bummer he hasn’t figured it out yet but the potential is obviously there. Not Kieth potential, but Dermott could still be a very good player in the league for a long time. He’s not even at 150 games played and young defenders development is so much rockier than forwards. Patience will be rewarded with him.

By 300 games you generally know. By 500 games that is what you got for next 500. We need 2 more defensive guys who have played 500 games and we know what they bring. We can't be guessing or playing the guessing game.

 

[AreBe]

By 300 games you generally know. By 500 games that is what you got for next 500. We need 2 more defensive guys who have played 500 games and we know what they bring. We can't be guessing or playing the guessing game.

yeah but do we trade kids for this?
All in 100% of the time no matter what leads to gutting the farm for a round 1 exit.

I have had enough of watching players we draft hoisting cups elsewhere .

 

[JT AM da real deal]

yeah but do we trade kids for this?
All in 100% of the time no matter what leads to gutting the farm for a round 1 exit.

I have had enough of watching players we draft hoisting cups elsewhere .

I would not trade any of them. Keep Rielly sign Muzz and sign 1 more vet. Trade Ceci Barrie and Marty.
Rielly VET
Muzz Holl
Sandin Lily Dermy (move them around Sandin and Dermy can both play either side)
I don't think Dermy looks good with barrie but not sure anybody does TBH.

 

[nuck]

Yup. If progression were as linear as this board expects, Sandin would be Bobby Orr by 25 years old.

Reality is that there are plateaus in player development, especially with young defensemen. This is the first period in Dermott's career that we've seen some stagnation and half this board is prepared to trade him. He's shown he can dominate a bottom pairing role, we're now just waiting for him to take that next step to the top 4 and he has every tool to do that. I personally think he is going to be one of the most important cogs on this team's blue line moving forward.

If you think Liljegren and Sandin aren't going to experience the same growing pains over the next few years, you're in for a surprise. Its unfortunate that this fanbase hasn't had the opportunity to watch many home grown defensemen develop over the years (historically, even) because the level of impatience is worrisome.

If they resign Muzz and add another RD then Dermott won't be one of the three D they protect in the X draft. His only real shot at staying is if they don't add a RD or go with a one year rental and he switches to the right. That makes a RD of Holl, Lily and Dermott which I don't thing they would gamble on.

I think he has potential but as another poster mentioned, his best fit might have been to replace Muzzin but it isn't shaking out that way. My guess is gone in a deal for a RD or else moved this summer. I don't see him getting a shot at a lot of LD minutes next year to improve his prospects. Does he seems like someone they would trade an asset to Seattle to leave and they take Holl instead? That would be risky asset management unless they are sure he is going to be something.

 

[stickty111]

Only 4 games, but fair to say Lilly has made himself a depth option if needed this season. Solid play.
You can't tell he is 20 by looking at him.

 

[nobody]

It seems like he's on a minutes limit at around 10-12 minutes. All 3 games since this call up he's been glued to the bench after hitting that mark. BUT in the minutes he has played, he has been outstanding IMO. Kid makes no mistakes and plays defensively responsible hockey. I take him on our 3rd pair over Ceci any day.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Has shown well so far, needs more than 10 minutes a night to develop properly though. His play so far has shown he can handle it.

 

[Knies iT]

Very impressed with him tonight against Arizona. He plays a calm, composed, cerebral game thats been a breath of fresh air when your regular D core is comprised of panic players like Barrie.

His passing is so efficient, it just moves the entire team up ice without a hitch. So far his play at this level has exceeded my expectations. Solid in every aspect.

 

[Clark4Ever]

His defensive game has exceeded my expectations. The organization has done a great job developing this kid.

 

[stickty111]

I'm fine with Keefe lowering his minutes right now. You need to protect him especially in the tight games we played the last 3. It's nice Keefe is finding PK time for him.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

It seems like he's on a minutes limit at around 10-12 minutes. All 3 games since this call up he's been glued to the bench after hitting that mark. BUT in the minutes he has played, he has been outstanding IMO. Kid makes no mistakes and plays defensively responsible hockey. I take him on our 3rd pair over Ceci any day.

I can't wait for when Sandin and Lilijegren become a part of our normal top-4D. Exciting to have a core including Rielly/Muzzin/Sandin/Lilijegren/Dermott/Holl + guys like Barrie/future-rentals come in. Muzzin and Holl are key guys though, they're the big, physical D-men that we don't have an abundance of though.

I don't think I've ever witnessed a better puck-moving defensive roster for the Leafs ever.

 

[Stephen]

Liljegren played a fairly quiet game aside from that chaos that resulted in the second Coyotes goal.

 

[frizzer1]

He looks strong and solid out there.
He and Sandin along with Rielly are the future of this team’s defense

 

[TMLeafer]

Seems fairly comfortable so far. I'm optimistic.

 

[diehardleafsfan9878]

I'm fine with Keefe lowering his minutes right now. You need to protect him especially in the tight games we played the last 3. It's nice Keefe is finding PK time for him.

The PK time he played today was when Muzzin was in the box. Without Muzzin, your left with Dermott-Holl, Sandin-Liljegren, or Barrie. Do you really want Barrie out there on the PK.

 

[MattySnipes]

Nice game from Lil

61.9% CF

 

[Sonic Disturbance]

Tbh, I'm more impressed by him defensively than Sandin. Rasmus has a better offensive game thus far though.

 

[stickty111]

Sandin and Lilly's stats together.

CF%: 68.52
From the pairs that played 1:30 or more together, they had the 2nd lowest SCA/60.

 

[HellasLEAF]

He looks good. Heck with the beard he looks like a veteran at times. Another calm composed player like Sandin.

 

[Eye Test]

I'm fine with Keefe lowering his minutes right now. You need to protect him especially in the tight games we played the last 3. It's nice Keefe is finding PK time for him.

He looks smooth out there, glad we didn’t rush him and now he understands the defensive aspect of the game.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

looks great out there.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

Next Season:

Rielly -
Muzzin - Liljigren
Sandin - Holl

Trade Dermy & AJ/Kerfoot for a RHD

 

[LeafSteel]

Liljegren and Sandin have looked good.

Like what I see from them both so far.