Thoughts on Hartman getting jumped after leveling Silfverberg?

[Skinnyjimmy08]

there is no hitting allowed anymore so it was expected he got jumped by all them

how dare a person do a perfect open ice hit in a contact sport

 

[Dey so soff*]

Fine with the play. Just should have been a 4 min PP.

Go after people after a clean hit if you want but it should be a penalty.

That’s my whole point.

If you want to risk putting your team on the PK for reacting to a clean hit then go for it, but those ramifications need to be there.

Hartman made a clean hit during gameplay and then was jumped directly afterward with punches thrown at him. Like I said, should be an immediate 5 and game for that.

 

[yourbestfriend]

Do you know what hockey is? Do you watch it? Things like this happen regularly. Hell, Chara wanted to go after Getz awhile ago and that thread was full of people going after Getz for not fighting.

Your hate for anything Ducks is pretty pathetic.

One person forcing another person to fight is not "hockey", it's called a cheap shot. It's something that should be kept out of the game.
When Scott went after Kessel, did people go after Kessel for not fighting Scott? Of course not.
As for the Getzlaf thing, I think most fans were saying that Getzlaf was lucky the refs stepped in because Chara would of killed him. If what your saying was true, the refs shouldn't have stepped in and Chara would have proceeded to rearrange his face. Of course we don't want that. If Getz is unwilling to fight, that should be the end of it.

There is no expectation for anyone to have to fight for any hit. Does that make some people hate certain players? Of course, look at Emelin. But there is literally nothing do you can do about someone not wanting to fight.

 

[dracom]

One person forcing another person to fight is not "hockey", it's called a cheap shot. It's something that should be kept out of the game.
When Scott went after Kessel, did people go after Kessel for not fighting Scott? Of course not.

There is no expectation for anyone to have to fight for any hit. Does that make some people hate certain players? Of course, look at Emelin. But there is literally nothing do you can do about someone not wanting to fight.

Manson didn’t force Hartman to do anything. Manson jumped him for a heavy hit; Silf has already had concussions issues plus hockey is a fast sport, so Manson probably saw the hit and thought it was bad so he went to defend his teammate. Once he saw Hartman wasn’t going to fight, he stopped.

Stuff like this happens regularly, with the speed of the game and the mindset of protecting your teammates, it’s just going to happen.

 

[Sojourn]

One person forcing another person to fight is not "hockey", it's called a cheap shot. It's something that should be kept out of the game.
When Scott went after Kessel, did people go after Kessel for not fighting Scott? Of course not.
As for the Getzlaf thing, I think most fans were saying that Getzlaf was lucky the refs stepped in because Chara would of killed him. If what your saying was true, the refs shouldn't have stepped in and Chara would have proceeded to rearrange his face. Of course we don't want that. If Getz is unwilling to fight, that should be the end of it.

There is no expectation for anyone to have to fight for any hit. Does that make some people hate certain players? Of course, look at Emelin. But there is literally nothing do you can do about someone not wanting to fight.

He didn't force him to fight.

And he didn't keep swinging when he realized Hartman wasn't willing to.

So he spent a few minutes in the box, and that's it. The league has made no attempt at all to get that out of the game, except when a player continues to attack.

 

[Mallard]

Nah man, Cogs a total goon now. The next Torres/Cooke.

Amazing how his reputation changes so quick after one incident but Brown remains a clean player after many incidents and he is just unfortunate to have some "bad timing".

 

[4thline]

there is no hitting allowed anymore so it was expected he got jumped by all them

how dare a person do a perfect open ice hit in a contact sport

Tsk tsk. It's not a "perfect open ice hit" it's a "liberty", and the person who thinks a "liberty" has been taken is infallible and their judgment is binding under pain of sucker punch. And what do you mean by anymore? A "liberty" is a "liberty" and standards certainly haven't changed

 

[yourbestfriend]

if hartman rubs silf out in the corner, no one says peep. if he takes the same run at a bottom 6 forward, THEY might go but they might not. if they dont go, then likely no one goes.

If the premise is that players collectively agree that should you be perceived to be taking liberties on the ice that your right to refuse to settle is revoked, then it comes down to " was hit X clean ?" The players dont get to look at screen shots or collectively huddle to decide what the response ( if any ) will be. so they make decisions, some right, some wrong. if its a 50/50 hit on your teamate and you go what are the chances said teamate appreciates your choice ? What if you simply let it be ? so chances are, on a bordeline hits someone is going to interpret it as taking liberties and try to settle accounts.
how this continues to surprise people is beyond me.

I'm not saying Manson forced Hartman to fight.
But when some fans have an opinion and expectations of, "your right to refuse is revoked", yes, that is forcing someone to fight which is both alarming and stupid.

 

[DatSnipeMatthews]

Manson should receive a 10 game suspension. He fights someone for absolutely no reason (super clean hit) and continues to viciously throw punches at Hartman who clearly doesn't want to fight. And he shouldn't have to fight.

 

[Mallard]

Manson should receive a 10 game suspension. He fights someone for absolutely no reason (super clean hit) and continues to viciously throw punches at Hartman who clearly doesn't want to fight. And he shouldn't have to fight.

This is laughable.

He threw 3 punches and then stopped once he realized Hartman didn't want to then just swung him around. 10 games for that?

Have you seen the suspensions people get for headshots/kneeing/etc? A lot less than 10 games.

 

[Beukeboom]

I love violent hockey and fighting more than most, but this is a bit much. Silferberg is no superstar so there is no need to back up a hit on him if it was clean. Unless it is a dirty hit or a huge hit on either Getzlaf or Rakell no fights are necessary.

 

[Sojourn]

Manson should receive a 10 game suspension. He fights someone for absolutely no reason (super clean hit) and continues to viciously throw punches at Hartman who clearly doesn't want to fight. And he shouldn't have to fight.

Yeah, no. That isn't what happened at all.

What actually happened was he wanted to fight someone who he felt took a liberty on a teammate, and he stopped throwing when he realized his opponent wasn't interested.

 

[Sojourn]

I love violent hockey and fighting more than most, but this is a bit much. Silferberg is no superstar so there is no need to back up a hit on him if it was clean. Unless it is a dirty hit or a huge hit on either Getzlaf or Rakell no fights are necessary.

Who cares if Silfverberg is a superstar? He's a well-liked teammate.

 

[Mallard]

I love violent hockey and fighting more than most, but this is a bit much. Silferberg is no superstar so there is no need to back up a hit on him if it was clean. Unless it is a dirty hit or a huge hit on either Getzlaf or Rakell no fights are necessary.

Ok so dirty or not, you need to be a superstar for teammates to have your back. Us Ducks fans will message Manson on Instagram or Twitter to make sure he knows for next time.

 

[Sojourn]

Ok so dirty or not, you need to be a superstar for teammates to have your back. Us Ducks fans will message Manson on Instagram or Twitter to make sure he knows for next time.

Pretty sure he'd tell us to screw off, and he'd be right to.

 

[Beukeboom]

Who cares if Silfverberg is a superstar? He's a well-liked teammate.

Yes but if you are going to fight everytime someone "likable" gets hit you'd have a busy night. Look at hockey back in the good old violent days when it was actually a tough sport. No one would attack you for a clean hit unless it was on a superstar. If it is a knee on knee fine. Or if a guy has taken runs all night long. But for this?

 

[who_me?]

 

[Sojourn]

Yes but if you are going to fight everytime someone "likable" gets hit you'd have a busy night. Look at hockey back in the good old violent days when it was actually a tough sport. No one would attack you for a clean hit unless it was on a superstar. If it is a knee on knee fine. Or if a guy has taken runs all night long. But for this?

None of that applies to the game today. You stand up for teammates.

I'm not big on the fighting after a clean hit, and I've said that, but it's a pattern in the NHL right now. As for the rest, I'd want Manson to stand up for any player in an Anaheim uniform.

 

[Beukeboom]

None of that applies to the game today. You stand up for teammates.

I'm not big on the fighting after a clean hit, and I've said that, but it's a pattern in the NHL right now. As for the rest, I'd want Manson to stand up for any player in an Anaheim uniform.

Look at the Konstantinov hit above. Great hit, nobody fights him even if that was one of the worst rivalries. I love fighting and want it to stay, the problem is that if they are going to go after every guy throwing a nice hit, there are going to be less nice hits and people are going to whine fighting out of the game.

Manson should admire a nice hit and Silfverberg should keep his head up.

 

[TheSituation]

justice delayed is justice denied. but nice to see an advocate for "snakeinthegrass-ism"

How is advocating for clean hard hockey snake-in the grassism???

 

[Deuce22]

My thoughts on this? I wish Hartman would have beaten Manson's face in.

Gonna be difficult with your gloves still on...

 

[Sol]

No, it's hockey, and if you played you'd understand that. You may not agree with it, but you'd understand it.

There is nothing psychotic about what Manson did. That's just a childish attack because he's a rival player. When he realized that Hartman wasn't a willing combatant, he stopped.

If there was mental gymnastics in the Olympics youd take gold every time.

 

[TLEH]

Don't even really care about the response. If you want to put your team in the hole in a 2-2 game, go ahead. They can't call the game right, which is was pissed me off.

If they call it right, then I'm fine with it. Any player that wants to put their team short a man for 4-5 minutes in a tie game, be my guest.

Should have easily been a double minor. Hartman did nothing.

 

[TheAngryHank]

Beauty

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Don't even really care about the response. If you want to put your team in the hole in a 2-2 game, go ahead. They can't call the game right, which is was pissed me off.

If they call it right, then I'm fine with it. Any player that wants to put their team short a man for 4-5 minutes in a tie game, be my guest.

Should have easily been a double minor. Hartman did nothing.

I thibk everyone agrees with that, duck fans felt refs made wrong call.