I'm suggesting there is not much separation at all. Mike Babcock does nothing to improve this team imo. Fans always think they have the answers, more often than not they're completely full of ****.
I don't know. Don't know enough about Babcock's ways to pass judgment on him.
But I have a feeling you're just waiting to go on a rant more than anything.
You can continue this I know the system is **** mantra if you like, I don't take what you say here seriously at all. I've played hockey all my life, watched hockey all my life, the same as you. You trying to tell others in the same boat it's just their failed understanding of the system that is the problem like you're some kind of higher authority on the subject is laughable.
Do I think Therrien is a great coach, absolutely not, do I think having a great coach would drastically improve things, absolutely not.
I guess I was right about the rant part.
Just to be clear. You agree that Therrien isn't great. So now it's more about me and how I'm telling others that he's really not great that you have an issue with. Cool story but I won't waste much time on it.
How would you know if a great coach would improve things or not? What do you base yourself on, I mean, actual things like player development, usage, deployment, strategies, etc, to base your opinion on?? To be clear saying ''coaches gets fired, ups and downs'' isn't an argument.
To add to that, we've also seen coaches get fired and their teams improve with another coach.
Coaches from all teams eventually go from hero to zero and vice versa, the only thing determining this evaluation is the quality of the lineup.
Coaching doesn't win games, players do.
Yes, which is a flawed way of operating. That's why you're here telling people coaching doesn't matter because no matter what, they'll get canned.
But that's not an analysis on how good a coach is.
Players win games. Definitely. And coaches coach those players. Evaluation how the people employed to coach those guys isn't limited to how often other coaches have gotten fired.
The players themselves have stated the preferred system of today is to carry the puck in the zone. Habs players have said this, you cling way too much to a few words spoken on 24/7. If you believe Therrien is telling the players to hand possession over to the opposing team on purpose then you're a fool, I'm sorry to say. This is a problem of execution and maybe a bit of coaching, but coaching is so low on the totem pole here.
Ya they can say whatever they want it doesn't mean it's translating to the ice.
It doesn't have to be that Therrien is telling them to dump the puck behind the Dman and be ''first on puck''. If his breakout strategies don't work, the players are going to dump it. Just like if you're being pressured in your zone, you're told since your peewee days to throw it off the boards, never the middle, right?
And if your team has issues executing for over a year, then you need some blame.
Unless you think the team just isn't good. But then we have the 12-13 season to go by and we know we can play a much better possession game. I mean, if that wasn't evident enough for you just by looking at the roster.
Management, not just the coach have decided to ice the wrong players. MT isn't alone here. MB can send Allen/Weaver to the minors any time he wants. Instead of doing so, he is in lock step with Therrien sending better player off to the minors. It's management, not just the coach here.
There's no way to know really. Maybe they are. Maybe not. I really doubt Bergevin signed Sekac only to see him scratched 6 games into the season despite looking pretty good out there, so we could put Moen or Bourque in.
Management and Coaching are not always on point. It's not because it's not made public that life is peachy and they're in lock step as you say.
It also doesn't mean that they're not. No way to know.
But Therrien has favored vets over youngsters. That's not new. Bergevin said in the off season that he didn't mind leaving spots for the kids and went as far as to suggest he'd even be fine taking a step back because of it (assuming they'd take two forward later).
So I think Bergevin wants to bring options to his coach. Then gives him the rope he needs. I doubt they agree on everything.