Dubi Doo
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Can we all finally admit this was an idiotic trade by Botts?
There are degrees to goaltending between "giga atrocious" and "mega awesome"Yeah really.
Allen in 6gms since the 1st of January has a 3-3-0 record with a 3.00 GAA and a 884 SV%. That's behind the same Blues team Binnington has been lights out for. You would have to be pretty delusional to think the tandem of Allen and Chad Johnson (who they had prior to the kid's call up) would have gone 11-1-1 in those 13 games. Even with the Blues playing the way they've been there is no way in hell it happens. The chart you posted does nothing to counter this.
The original post you quoted, from days ago, was directed at someone who was, in a rather mouthy manner, convinced that the Blues were going to finish bottom-1o. I questioned why, and laid out evidence that suggests otherwise and made me raise my eyebrows at that claim, and got no response. That was all I was originally arguing.No matter how you try to spin things the Blues were 16-19-4 before Binnington's first start on Jan 7th. In the 15 games leading up to that game they were 7-7-1. They were no where close to being a playoff team or even in the discussion until they took off with him in net.
Do I think they will drop to a bottom 10 team? No. Do I think its realistic to expect this kid to play at a Vezina level for the rest of the season? Probably not but I have no idea. He is a rookie with no history to use as a guide.
I'm also not a fan of your math equation approach to this. As in if the system is played at a certain level it guarantees outcomes. LIke a team playing at level X will lead to goalie performance of level X. That's not how it works. There is definitely a relationship between the goalie and the team in front of him. His performance can be impacted by the team's play but goalies can always be worse or better than the circumstances around them. Its why Allen is putting up terrible numbers during the Blues surge in team play from early December on and Binnington is playing at a Vezina level. Its actually amazing to see such wide swings in performance from one team's goalies.
You're basically arguing that Binnington is somewhat along for the ride due to the Blues team play and even if he falls off it won't matter because their team play will carry the day. If that's the case then why isn't Allen along for that same ride? They've been playing this way for over 2 months (beginning of December) by your own admission. Yet Allen has a 9-8-1 record in 18 starts during that time frame with a roughly 2.80 GAA and a .899 SV%. Even if I shrink the time frame to just the 6 games Allen started in Jan/Feb he is 3-3 with a roughly 3+ GAA and a .884 SV%. ** Compared to Binnigton's 11-1-1 record in 13 starts with a 1.53 GAA and a .938 SV%. Hard to argue how the Blues are playing is a guarantee of success with such wildly different results from their goalies during that time frame. Its almost as if the goalies themselves have an impact on things. If the kid can keep it rolling the Blues should roll along. If he stumbles they are going to stubble with him.
**Ironically Allen's best month of the season was November before the team play improved. He had a 2.58 GAA and a .917 SV% but was 4-5 in his 9 starts. He has gotten worse each of the next two months as team play improved.
Not sure why it took me so many words to just say this.There are degrees to goaltending between "giga atrocious" and "mega awesome"
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It sucks that we took this potential and shoved it into the most defensive role in history, measured by raw number of d-zone starts with 4th line trash, to artificially suppress its trade value, and then filled the vacuum of the 2C left behind with a guy who now has 42 straight games without a goal, is on pace for 15 points, and is dreadful at every facet of the game that isn't left-dot-faceoffs according to Phil.
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This gets matched up against Evgeni Malkin, John Tavares, Evgeny Kuznetsov, Steven Stamkos, Vincent Trocheck, Sean Couturier(sometimes?) as we carom through the eastern conference.
Whether or not you buy into culture issues, or like the trade, focusing only on AFTER, what the actual **** were we thinking when we decided our centers behind Jack were acceptable for a non-tank NHL season.
We pissed away another year of Eichel’s career with this trade. That’s really the long and short of it. And it probably wouldn’t have hurt to get Dahlin some playoff experience in his rookie season.
But, hey, the locker room is happy again. (Presses fingers to earpiece) Wait, I’m getting a report that it’s becoming the same depressing place that it was the last few seasons. Nevermind.
So is this deal worse than, similarly bad as, slightly less bad or not as bad as the Hasek deal?
This was way worse because with Hasek we basically had no choice but to trade him, and everyone knew it.So is this deal worse than, similarly bad as, slightly less bad or not as bad as the Hasek deal?
The real question is- how do we all move on? 5 stages of grief and all that...I do not know what stage I'm at, but I'm a long ways from acceptance.So is this deal worse than, similarly bad as, slightly less bad or not as bad as the Hasek deal?
The real question is- how do we all move on? 5 stages of grief and all that...I do not know what stage I'm at, but I'm a long ways from acceptance.
STRAIGHT. INTO. THE. GODDAMNED. SUN.Fire the nitwit who did nothing to build a team to bouy anyone's spirits last year and then made this terrible trade? That would help me move on.
We will be over it when we win a playoff round or two and have center depth again
We got over losing the co captains. We will do fine. It will always be stupid.Depends how long that takes.
We did?We got over losing the co captains. We will do fine. It will always be stupid.
We got over losing the co captains. We will do fine. It will always be stupid.