WreckingCrew
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Pretty much my thoughts...woof that's ruff. About as good as any deal acquiring that Price contract
Speculation: The Roster Building Thread - To the deadline and beyond!
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Boom Boom Apathy
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Skinner is now #10 on TSN's "trade bait" board. Get ready to drink.
Jeff Skinner joins TSN’s Trade Bait board - Article - TSN
Jeff Skinner joins TSN’s Trade Bait board - Article - TSN
Can they throw in the corpses of Duguay and Greschner while they're at it?
Raleigh meth apparently has nothing on MSG meth.
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Meh
I don't think Skinner is traded now. Probably in off-season.
What was the consensus here about what the Canes give up for Hoffman? I’m so back and forth on him staying in Ottawa. Curious what an outsider’s perspective is.
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Joe McGrath
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That sucks for Jooris. I’m guessing he heads to Europe next year.
Boom Boom Apathy
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Since it's being discussed in 3 different threads, both assigned to Charlotte.
bleedgreen
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I liked Jooris. Was hoping to see more of him, shame.
NotOpie
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Doesn't look like we're going to see more of anybody that we already haven't seen.
Boom Boom Apathy
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So McKenzie did a 2 hour podcast talking about each team and potential at the deadline. His view on Carolina was that he doesn't see the Canes being active at he deadline as they are not at a point where moves like that and rentals make sense. Cliff notes version:
EDIT: forgot the word NOT in 2nd sentence, since added.
- Natives are restless - Peters blistered the team the other day and media picked up on it
- Dundon gives the perception that he's a "mover and a shaker" so people think they may be active at the deadline
- McKenzie doesn't think they will be active at the deadline.
- Said Francis has a plan and as GM, does react as much to those things like media / fans do
- Canes aren't quite to the point where they'll give up assets for immediate help.
- Only a matter of time before they move a defenseman for forward help, but not as soon as many think
- Doesn't expect them to be active at the deadline, doesn't see them in the rental market.
- More likely you'll see moves at the draft and off season.
- Said they have too much invested in Darling to cut and run right now. Mentioned people saying a deal with Detroit for Mrazek doesn't make sense right now with Ward under contract, but maybe something in the offseason.
EDIT: forgot the word NOT in 2nd sentence, since added.
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tarheelhockey
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This is the sort of thing that we as fans don't feel nearly as intensely as management. I wouldn't be surprised to see Darling here for at least another full season before he's moved (bought out or traded) or finds his game.
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Meh
You just saved me 2 hours, thank you
bleedgreen
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I’m sure they want a first, and I don’t want us giving up any firsts so I just don’t know. For a team that supposedly has assets to move I don’t feel like we’re ready to move any.
Not one of the top 7 d other than Dahlbeck. I would move TT to be honest, I give Lindy the nod there between the two of them. I would move Rask as well. If either would get us Hoffman I would consider it, and would add something to get it done. Would I do Skinner as a change of scenery trade? Maybe.
RF should be figuring out a way to move Rask. Ideally to a center starved team like MTL or a team that would view him as a more cost-effective option to one of their current players...maybe EDM. If he has to add a sweetener so be it.
NotOpie
"Puck don't lie"
Two guys not discussed much, but are quietly putting together nice seasons:
Clark Bishop, 22 points in 46 games is carving out a nice 4th line grinder role (although he's playing most recently on the 3rd line w/Foegele). Smart and scrappy....scored a shorty last night.
David Cotton, 21 points in 29 tilts w/Boston College. He's actually the leading points producer on a BC club that's struggling a bit this season. He'll likely surpass last season's 10 goal/24 point mark.
Clark Bishop, 22 points in 46 games is carving out a nice 4th line grinder role (although he's playing most recently on the 3rd line w/Foegele). Smart and scrappy....scored a shorty last night.
David Cotton, 21 points in 29 tilts w/Boston College. He's actually the leading points producer on a BC club that's struggling a bit this season. He'll likely surpass last season's 10 goal/24 point mark.
Boom Boom Apathy
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So let's say Lindy continues to play well and shows he's capable of a 2C role. With Necas coming and now Aho getting some time at center, does that change everyone's idea of needs for the off season? Clearly, if you can get a guy like Tavares without giving up assets, it's a no-brainer, but are we hell bent on finding a center in the offseason and using assets to do so?
Aho-Staal-TT
Skinner-Lindholm-Williams
JVR/Kane - Necas - Zykov
McGinn-Wallmark-Foegele
Again, that assumes Lindholm shows he's capable of handling that role, which is not a given, and that Necas is ready, which is also not a given.
Aho-Staal-TT
Skinner-Lindholm-Williams
JVR/Kane - Necas - Zykov
McGinn-Wallmark-Foegele
Again, that assumes Lindholm shows he's capable of handling that role, which is not a given, and that Necas is ready, which is also not a given.
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I think our team has yet to take that next step because we always have those question marks and what ifs. I'd prefer we be go getters and find an immediate answer to our wholes, we have the assets to do that, rather than waiting around hoping that our guys can step up.
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I personally don't think there is enough time left in this season to be certain that Lindy and/or Aho are ready to be full time, effective centers at the NHL level. And Necas is an unknown until he does it over here. If the right opportunity presents itself, get a top line center at the deadline/offseason. We know for a fact that Lindy and Aho are just fine at wing, and that in general, many centers can shift to wing and be somewhat effective. Worst case, you end up with too many effective centers and get to choose which ones you most want to keep, which ones are the best value, and potentially trade the others for whatever the need is then.
Granted, if we lose out on all potential center signings or trades, of course there's no problem with going for a high end winger, but I think the goal should still be a big time center.
Granted, if we lose out on all potential center signings or trades, of course there's no problem with going for a high end winger, but I think the goal should still be a big time center.
tarheelhockey
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Also assumes that both Zykov and Foegele are the real deal. And that we can find someone effective to replace them if they’re not.
That’s more assumptions than I’m comfortable with making. The overwhelming likelihood is that 2-3 of these fall through, which would upset the whole apple cart.
So I've been thinking....
...do any of you other think that sending Kruger and Jorris down to Charlotte without bringing anyone else up is Francis sending a shot across Peters bow? I know everyone likes to say they communicate all the time and they are on the same page, but why would you send those two down and not bring anyone up? Maybe to save a bit of money if you were cash strapped, but with Dundon just buying the team, that would seem to be unlikely. The only thing I can come up with that seems to make sense is that Francis wanted to make a lineup decision that Peters was not willing to do: play Lindholm and/or Aho at center for an extended period of time. By sending those two guys capable of playing center on the 4th line, he forced Peters to play one of Lindholm or Aho in the center on a more scoring centered line. And once I started thinking along those lines, I wonder if there is more going on behind the scenes between these two. We've seen publicly at least twice that Peters has pushed for more help, from outside the 23 guys he's had, and twice it seems that Ron has clearly had other ideas about what that help would be. I wonder if there is some frustration brewing on Francis's side about Peters wants at the center position and what Francis sees as the future of the lineup? Maybe Francis has much more confidence in Lindholm's and Aho's abilities and has finally run out of patience with Peters playing them on the wings?
...do any of you other think that sending Kruger and Jorris down to Charlotte without bringing anyone else up is Francis sending a shot across Peters bow? I know everyone likes to say they communicate all the time and they are on the same page, but why would you send those two down and not bring anyone up? Maybe to save a bit of money if you were cash strapped, but with Dundon just buying the team, that would seem to be unlikely. The only thing I can come up with that seems to make sense is that Francis wanted to make a lineup decision that Peters was not willing to do: play Lindholm and/or Aho at center for an extended period of time. By sending those two guys capable of playing center on the 4th line, he forced Peters to play one of Lindholm or Aho in the center on a more scoring centered line. And once I started thinking along those lines, I wonder if there is more going on behind the scenes between these two. We've seen publicly at least twice that Peters has pushed for more help, from outside the 23 guys he's had, and twice it seems that Ron has clearly had other ideas about what that help would be. I wonder if there is some frustration brewing on Francis's side about Peters wants at the center position and what Francis sees as the future of the lineup? Maybe Francis has much more confidence in Lindholm's and Aho's abilities and has finally run out of patience with Peters playing them on the wings?
Dishface
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I think it came/comes down to producing. IMO, they were sent down because he felt they were expendable, not as a shot to Peters. Whether they are replaced by AHLers, forced lineup rearrangement, or a trade is yet to be seen.
I think there's a message, but I think it's being sent to Charlotte rather than to Peters. Open up the roster slots and tell the Charlotte players the opportunity is there if they take it right now.
