Speculation: The Roster Building Thread - To the deadline and beyond!

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Jooris has been used as much as PDG, but Jooris is also capable at center, which is why he was signed prior to bringing in Kruger. And remember, it is Francis who sent them down, so if he sees Jooris as a possible center and wants to remove any roadblocks at that position, that is why he would send him down, regardless of whether or not Bill really thought of him as a center.

I don't buy it. Seems a bit too "tinhat" ish to me, but I guess anything is possible.

 

[Lempo]

Derick would seriously up our Brass Bonanza game.

 

[NotOpie]

I don't buy it. Seems a bit too "tinhat" ish to me, but I guess anything is possible.

This board....

....all the time.

 

[Unsustainable]

I would love Eric Lassard on the team.

Only if he’s named Captain

 

[NotOpie]

Only if he’s named Captain

 

[garnetpalmetto]

Jooris wasn't even being used by Peters, so that theory doesn't make sense as it pertains to him. He wasn't playing so it's the best move to send him down so he can get some playing time. I think it was more about shaking things up and sending a message to the players than anything else. Francis is the guy that when out and traded for Kruger and signed Jooris in the first place.

I don't buy it. Seems a bit too "tinhat" ish to me, but I guess anything is possible.

I say just let him have his pet conspiracy theory at this point. There's clearly no convincing him otherwise.

 

[NotOpie]

I say just let him have his pet conspiracy theory at this point. There's clearly no convincing him otherwise.

Pet Rocks are much easier to tend to....plus, there's not as much angst involved.

 

[Lucky Lindy]

Would anyone be interested as a 4th line center replacement? Has good face off percentage.

I hope my Swedish team are. Not as a 4th liner tho, more like a 2nd.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Jooris has been used as much as PDG, but Jooris is also capable at center, which is why he was signed prior to bringing in Kruger. And remember, it is Francis who sent them down, so if he sees Jooris as a possible center and wants to remove any roadblocks at that position, that is why he would send him down, regardless of whether or not Bill really thought of him as a center.

For what it's worth, I agree with you. And every day that goes by with no callups makes it even more clear. There's simply no reason to send those two particular guys down other than to force a lineup change.

The only thing I can think of is that Peters asked Francis to send down Kruger so that he wouldn't have to scratch him. But that's weak. It's plain to me that the intention was to take away all previous fourth-line center options.

 

[Vagrant]

i believe it has less to do with any kind of schism regarding deployment between francis and peters and more to do with it being a carrot for our over-ripening ahl squad to know that we're not healthy scratching any forwards on a nightly basis and the first injury or demotion means that one of you will be next in line. plus, jooris and kruger are both long time professionals and both want to be able to play to secure their future. sitting them in the pressbox for the rest of the season, especially for jooris, would limit their options moving forward. the courteous thing to do for veterans that are no longer required on your team is to expose them to waivers and give them a shot at finding a destination, no matter how unlikely it is that someone would claim them. doing right by the player is an important part of maintaining relationships. when they're out of the plan with your team, you should do everything in your power to try to provide them an exit that is mutually satisfactory. the truth is that jooris and kruger had been pipped and it was in the mutual best interest of all parties to explore all possible, though unrealistic, options for them to continue their careers elsewhere. to me, that's the reason for waivers as opposed to healthy scratching them every game for the remainder of the year as an insurance policy against injuries. plus, as i talked about in another post before the moves, it's a message to the rest of your room that jobs are not safe and if you like the guy sitting next to you then you need to play for him as much as you're playing for you. peters and francis have such a strong working relationship that it strikes me as immensely unlikely that he would attempt to tie his hands, because that's a two way street. when you have a coach that is coaching against the wishes of the gm and a gm that is gming against the wishes of a coach, it's untenable and someone will be relieved. i doubt either party is trying to die on that hill with the immense amount of optimism that is flooding into the organization at present.

 

[Vagrant]

to further, we too often think of players as chess pieces as opposed to individuals with jobs. we move them around and try to make sense of it, but the truth is that kruger and jooris were fired. and any good employer will want to make that transition as painless as possible and not stand in the way of other opportunities for the person they had to let go. it's a human element in a business that stands in such stark contrast to the way we view our own vocations that we forget these details sometimes. placing someone on waivers is a way of not standing in the way of a player moving to a new destination in order to allow them the opportunity to continue their careers. it's the respectful way to handle an awkward situation to be able to have tangible proof that no other team felt compelled to employ you. this is a safeguard against players feeling they're not in the plans and are being held hostage without an opportunity to improve their outlook by.... actually playing.

 

[GoldiFox]

Canes only play the Lightning in the last game of the year.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

That makes sense Vagrant. Plus, if the lack of calling anybody up was viewed as forcing Peter's hand to play Lindy/Aho at center, they still could have called up guys like Zykov and Foegele, who are not centers.

 

[Bub]

Canes only play the Lightning in the last game of the year.

20-way trade incoming.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

20-way trade incoming.

Bernmeister is gonna cream his shorts

 

[rt]

How much would you hate a trade that involved Victor Rask and Dylan Strome as the chief principals (with no other assets representing value greater than that of a 2nd round pick)?

A) I'd burn down the arena
B) I'd throw a jersey on the ice
C) I'd be pretty ticked but kinda hopeful
D) I'd be completely confused but go with it
E) I wouldn't love it but wouldn't hate it
F) I'd be okay with that
G)This would be a good thing and I would approve

 

[tarheelhockey]

Bernmeister is gonna cream his shorts

perfect

 

[tarheelhockey]

How much would you hate a trade that involved Victor Rask and Dylan Strome as the chief principals (with no other assets representing value greater than that of a 2nd round pick)?

A) I'd burn down the arena
B) I'd throw a jersey on the ice
C) I'd be pretty ticked but kinda hopeful
D) I'd be completely confused but go with it
E) I wouldn't love it but wouldn't hate it
F) I'd be okay with that
G)This would be a good thing and I would approve

Somewhere around F and G. IMO Rask is precariously close to a replacement level player, in spite of his stats. If Strome fell through, we could pretty easily acquire someone with a similar skill set and price point to fill that gap.

 

[Stickpucker]

to further, we too often think of players as chess pieces as opposed to individuals with jobs. we move them around and try to make sense of it, but the truth is that kruger and jooris were fired. and any good employer will want to make that transition as painless as possible and not stand in the way of other opportunities for the person they had to let go. it's a human element in a business that stands in such stark contrast to the way we view our own vocations that we forget these details sometimes. placing someone on waivers is a way of not standing in the way of a player moving to a new destination in order to allow them the opportunity to continue their careers. it's the respectful way to handle an awkward situation to be able to have tangible proof that no other team felt compelled to employ you. this is a safeguard against players feeling they're not in the plans and are being held hostage without an opportunity to improve their outlook by.... actually playing.

I could see this for Jooris who has hardly gotten to play this season but not for Kruger who's had a lot of games.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

rask is projecting to be a "shutdown center", in the sense that he's inept offensively and decent defensively (albeit slow, which hurts).

so yeah, I'd def do rask for strome, even if strome is trending toward bust.

 

[Unsustainable]

rask is projecting to be a "shutdown center", in the sense that he's inept offensively and decent defensively (albeit slow, which hurts).

so yeah, I'd def do rask for strome, even if strome is trending toward bust.

Ryan and Rask are shut down centers for the Canes.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Shutdown centers who face the weakest competition and get the most offensive zone starts. Let's just face it, Staal is our only shutdown center. Heck, he's our only good center (unless Lindy and Aho become one).

 

[rt]

I'd hesitate to say Strome is trending toward bust. He's 20 years old and making the AHL his bitch. I think if he were drafted 33rd instead of 3rd, he'd be universally venerated rather than widely disparaged. I think Strome takes a ton of heat because McDavid and Eichel were taken immediately before and because Marner and Hanifin were taken immediately after.

 

[rt]

Shutdown centers who face the weakest competition and get the most offensive zone starts. Let's just face it, Staal is our only shutdown center. Heck, he's our only good center (unless Lindy and Aho become one).

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All of those numbers and colors and shapes mean Rask is bad?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

All of those numbers and colors and shapes mean Rask is bad?

Means he gets the most offensive zone starts, goes against the weakest quality of competition, and has terrible possession numbers. Now, that's clearly not the only measure of good or bad, but he hasn't been very good this year (although better more recently).