Fogelhund
Registered User
- Sep 15, 2007
- 21,269
- 23,754
The next step in Kadri's evolution, will be his name on the Stanley Cup, for the Leafs.
Why do you keep spewing blatantly false nonsense?
Kadri scored 32 goals and 61 points playing primarily with Leo Komarov and Connor Brown. How in the holy **** does he need "someone to help him produce."
it's not false nonsense, you aren't understanding what's being said, unsurprisingly. komarov and brown had 30 points when they played with kadri, so thats a bad argument. kadri also had 17 of his points (more than a 1/4th) on the pp. this season, when kadri played with marleau and komarov, he had 25 points in 47 games, but when he played with marner he netted 30 points in 33 games. to add to this, he went pointless through 11 games in the month of december, and had 2 points in 9 games in janaury. when marner was placed along his side, he only had 12 pointless games. it's not shocking you couldn't tell that he needed someone to help him produce.
Kadri is 17th in goals scored over the last two seasons. He's literally in the top 3% of goal scorers. Hell, he only has one less goal than Tavares who is considered a bonafide star and borderline franchise player.
This is pretty much all I need to read to know you don't know anything. Not sure how you can make these claims when guys like Komarov and Winnik had their best production and career years alongside Kadri, or even a guy like Santorelli who managed a 40 pt pace with him and was parlayed into a package deal for a first and a decent prospect at the time.and he definitely doesn't elevate the players around him
What's shameful is making arguments without factoring in the bigger picture and then pretending like you know more than others.its remarkably shameful how you and other leaf fans ignore his low assist total
i never said kadri is a poor passer, i said he wasn't a line driver. he certainly wasn't one this season, and that was evident by his splits with and without marner. kadri helped marner as well, i'm not denying that.I don't think you responded to the numbers I posted earlier, here they are again. I don't want to give you a hard time but I can't help but wonder if you're ignoring these numbers because the fact that Marner's scoring rate roughly doubled while playing with Kadri seems to directly contradict your claim that Kadri is a poor passer etc.
Marner with Kadri: 5.58 GF/60, 2.09 GA/60
Marner without Kadri: 2.83 GF/60, 2.91 GA/60
To me, there is one and only one area where we could hope to see massive improvement when it comes to Kadri. He should be doing something like practising meditation and working with someone who can teach him how to keep calm at all times. Be a pest, get under opponents skins but do it in a cold, calculated fashion while always keeping your cool the way Marchand does. Cut down the games suspended during playoffs from 3 to 0, that's what I want to see and I think he can do it. As for cherry picking on-ice stats, to me that's just trying really hard to find some that just isn't there. Kadri's overall stats are #1C level and if that means I'm defending him against criticism, I'm 100% fine with that.
by cherry picking parts of my posts instead of critiquing the entire thing, its clear that you accept what i wrote as the truth.This is pretty much all I need to read to know you don't know anything. Not sure how you can make these claims when guys like Komarov and Winnik had their best production and career years alongside Kadri, or even a guy like Santorelli who managed a 40 pt pace with him and was parlayed into a package deal for a first and a decent prospect at the time.
What's shameful is making arguments without factoring in the bigger picture and then pretending like you know more than others.
i never said kadri is a poor passer, i said he wasn't a line driver. he certainly wasn't one this season, and that was evident by his splits with and without marner. kadri helped marner as well, i'm not denying that.
no no no. instead hire a player that wouldnt be suspended and could help the team?Curious argument:
Kadri didn't play for the leafs due to a suspension and that hurt the team.
solution: get him off the team.
kadri isn't a fantastic play maker (he's a good one) and he definitely doesn't elevate the players around him. .
Not sure how you can make these claims when guys like Komarov and Winnik had their best production and career years alongside Kadri, or even a guy like Santorelli who managed a 40 pt pace with him and was parlayed into a package deal for a first and a decent prospect at the time.
For Kadri's metamorphosis to run it's course he has to challenge Ryan Johannsen to a parking lot fight.
Kadri already helps the team in a big way.no no no. instead hire a player that wouldnt be suspended and could help the team?
exactly.Kadri already helps the team in a big way.
However he does need to control his emotions, and is something he could get better at.
This is fine because its something that is a weakness. Criticising something like passing which he is good at is not alright. I know it wasnt you, just commenting on the other poster.exactly.
So your saying the supporters of a player shouldnt defend him?
Then I will go the opposite, the critics shouldnt criticize a player.
If people are allowed to present their opinion, then why are you going after the posters who are defending the player? Isnt that also an opinion?
The suspension itself hurt our centre depth so bad because Bozak was hot trash all last year. I just want Kadri to take numbers and wait for his chance if he wants to play that game. We can't have stupid plays like that anymore. If he can't cut it out of his game I WOULD consider trading the guy for someone who is more reliable to be there when you need him.This is fine because its something that is a weakness. Criticising something like passing which he is good at is not alright. I know it wasnt you, just commenting on the other poster.
I agree with you. Kadri has shown to improve so lets see if it happens again.The suspension itself hurt our centre depth so bad because Bozak was hot trash all last year. I just want Kadri to take numbers and wait for his chance if he wants to play that game. We can't have stupid plays like that anymore. If he can't cut it out of his game I WOULD consider trading the guy for someone who is more reliable to be there when you need him.
Don't get me wrong , I want him on the team putting up 30 goal seasons and shutting guys down but I ALSO want him not making really boneheaded plays when it matters the most.
He didn't just "help", Marner's goal scoring rate doubled with Kadri. That would suggest Kadri is quite the play maker and it directly refutes your claims that Kadri doesn't drive the offence and especially your statement that he doesn't elevate the players around him.
There are quite a few players who have seen more success playing with Kadri than anywhere else, how do you explain that?
no no no. instead hire a player that wouldnt be suspended and could help the team?
"The suspension itself hurt our centre depth so bad because Bozak was hot trash all last year. I just want Kadri to take numbers and wait for his chance if he wants to play that game. We can't have stupid plays like that anymore. If he can't cut it out of his game I WOULD consider trading the guy for someone who is more reliable to be there when you need him.So you're going to throw away a back-to-back 30 goal scoring #3C due to a mistake (where he was picking up for Marner, by the way... some would call that character).
That's the definition of short-sightedness.
Who?
Next step for Kadri? Self-control at all times. His playoff suspension was selfish and a borderline tradeable offense.
You could find many ways to describe what happened. Sticking up for a teammate would not be considered selfish in a Team environment.Next step for Kadri? Self-control at all times. His playoff suspension was selfish and a borderline tradeable offense.
But he is defended when there is no need to defend. Read very carefully.......what is the premise of this thread again? What is the next step he could take in his evolution to be better.
What if some think he is still underachieving because they see he could improve and do more, and become elite? It's not to criticize, it's to say they think with X or Y improvement, think he can be even better than he is now! It doesn't mean people don't love what he is doing now.
Jesus people, get a grip.
So many people take things the wrong way, and my original post stands and was proven here beyond a shadow of a doubt. Never suggest improvements, or you are branded a hater and a know nothing.