The Myth of John Tavares and Unmet Potential - by an Isles Fan

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  1. 2LeftSkates

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    His reception upon his return to the Island was proof of his reptilian nature.
     
  2. Kamiccolo

    Kamiccolo Wake me up when Marner signs.

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    It was proof of several things, but let's not say them out of respect to the OP's discussion.
     
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    He never came close to his draft billing as a Crosby/McDavid type, but he’s had a very good career.

    I think Hedman would go #1 in a redraft but he’s very clearly #2.
     
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    Great player, would've loved to see him finish his career as an Islander. That said, he was a "victim" of the changing NHL I think. He's a dominant player below the hash marks in the offensive zone and is adequate to good defensively (despite what some claim). His skating has never been his strong suit, in terms of speed and transition, and I think with the NHL becoming faster it really impacted his ability to take over games as easily (he still can, just not as often as some other stars). He can dominate the score sheet but doesn't typically do so in the flashiest ways and can be pretty unnoticeable and then explode for some points.

    Did he meet the expectations that were placed on him? No. He was spoken about in the same breathe, like many are, as Gretzky or Crosby. Could he have been better and more consistent with more support? Probably, but that's the "what if" game. There are a lot of players that produce in a similar manner to him when looking at totals, but he's one of the most well rounded point producers because of his ability to be a play maker or a goal scorer.

    His career has been a letdown because he spent the majority of it with the Islanders and they didn't do much of anything. The highlight was a second round appearance. In his first season with Toronto it was another first round exits. How many of the best players are consistently not in the playoffs or knocked out in the first round?

    He was "overpaid" because all of those players are overpaid. He's paid exactly what the market commanded though. I think both he and Toronto made a poor choice but the contract itself isn't terrible given the situation.

    I've never heard anyone say he wasn't a good #1 overall pick.
     
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    Greatest 88 point scorer of all time.
     
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    You nailed this on the head.

    Objective hockey people know his value.
     
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    Can anyone find me an article or something comparing him to Gretzky sometime after his 17th birthday? By the time he was drafted, he was nowhere close to that hype level...We actually had to decide between him and Hedman when the time came...that wouldn't happen with a Gretzky level prospect unless Hedman was suppose to be Orr.

    People keep saying this and it just doesn't fit with my memory of the time. The only time his hype was that high was in his first two years in the OHL.
     
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    I would have loved to see him with a Kucherov/MSL/Malkin level player in his early 20s, when most of these guys peak.
     
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    Very well said. Completely agree.
     
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    You got so triggered that you went through my post history...that is ****ing hilarious!
     
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    Some players had it rough. Look at Nash in Colombus. Iginla wasn't 1st overall but his best center was Craig Conroy, who is a great 2-way but not a proven elite offensive center of his own. A Tavares duo with another elite guy in NYI would have been nice. Possibly a 50 goals season in his early 20s as he got 47 now that he's well surrounded in Toronto.
     
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    This posts actually shows why Giroux is better than John but even more disrespected...


     
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    Comparing him to McDavid is silly.

    Tavares was highly touted but no more so than other terrific underagers like Jason Spezza.

    Meanwhile, McDavid came into the league with the expectation that he would dominate immediately.

    Hype wise, Tavares is well below McDavid and Crosby and Lindros.

    So I’m not sure where those kinds of expectations come from.
     
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    He's an outstanding hockey player. That's good enough for me, the rest is just drama.

    That being said, I certainly don't want the Leafs to have any success ever so... Sorry John, you are great but **** you :laugh:
     
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    Did Marty St. Louis not exist in your reality?

    Not trying to get into this conversation but let's be honest. Before Mitch Marner, JT has never seen anyone with 1/100th the talent of MSL. You should know as a Rangers fan just how potent MSL was.
     
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    Not true what so ever. The John Tavares hype train was obnoxiously crazy. This kid absolutely destroyed the juniors on a bigger level that McDavid had. McDavid hype was more wide spread because social media was a massive deal by the time he came on to the scene. But back in the early-mid 2000s my lord. If you were around anyone in the junior workings, you would hear more than half of them ******io JT. I'm kind of glad that social media wasn't a thing back when Crosby/ JT were coming through the ranks. The hype train was on a whole different level of nuts.
     
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    The Tavares post elc contract is arguably one of the best valued contracts in the NHL, a fact made particularly glaring being a 1st overall talent
     
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    The team still sucked and they weren't always together.
     
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    :laugh:

    I'm not arguing this. You're so out to lunch bro.
     
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    Tavares broke Gretzky's record for goals in an OHL season.... as a 16 year old.

    The hype for him was on par with McDavid's imo.
     
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    That’s funny, I don’t remember it that way.

    There were concerns about his speed adjusting to the NHL - legitimate concerns that he addressed directly and successfully during offseason training.

    I don’t recall any weaknesses discussed with respect to the other three players.
     
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    You're right here and that's how I remember it as well.

    In fact, there were many scouts that said if Tavares was born a few days earlier and made the draft one year earlier, he'd go second to Stamkos.

    The Tavares hype was real earlier in his junior career but cooled off big time by draft day.
     
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    This was true early on. When he got to London, having been in the spotlight so long, people started looking for things to nitpick. The way his skating was talked about would have one think he was the next Jason Allison. There were also questions about whether or not he was actually trying at that point. People were suggesting he was bored, maybe even upset that he wasn't granted exceptional status for the NHL draft.

    Players with the kind of hype you're suggesting don't have people claiming someone like Matt Duchene should be drafted ahead of them, and that was a very real discussion in his draft year.
     
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    The wording here is what's important. He broke Gretzky's record for goals in an OHL season BY a 16 year old.
     
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    He was being hyped as a generational player before that first OHL season from what I remember here in Toronto
     
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