THE Fire Torts Thread

[Ruudukkopupuset]

I would think Tortorella's psycho tricks approach benefits from a minor crisis. Of course it it helps the team also to now have the one remaining pillar of passing in Wennberg back in the line-up.

 

[JacketsDavid]

All the moves will be judged more on if they stay.
I've said I'm not a fan of Duchene. TO me he stuffs the stat sheet but doesn't help teams win. I don't think's he's a primadonna or cancer, but I just wasn't terribly excited about him.
I liked the OSU ties to Dzingel and think he will stay.

But if we get into playoffs and get bounced in first round (or don't make it at all) and then lose Bob, Bread and Duchene I think a lot of questions need asked. Torts first, maybe Jarmo as well.

 

[JacketsDavid]

He'll be the sacrificial lamb once the team implodes. Jarmo will need to save his own skin. It will be deserved, however Torts was a good thing for this team.

The coach has been the sacrificial lamb for FO several times for this franchise. The problem is coaches don't hire themselves. Look deeper as to the "whys" he was hired.

 

[EDM]

After the bold moves Jarmo made, the focus should be on whether Torts has the ability coach a dynamic offense. To me this is 100% on Torts.

 

[Viqsi]

I'm not calling for his firing yet, but I'll readily admit I'm very close to it. These last few games have been absolutely atrocious, even by the standards of this team's past history. It's just Not Okay.

 

[Ice9]

Duchene and Dzingel had chemistry together. When I saw those two broken up I had to scratch my head and think, "Why break up that bit of chemistry you DO have when the team will be affected enough as it is"? They'd get back on their games soon enough.

I find that an unwise move by such a veteran coach.

 

[KJ Dangler]

Has anyone noticed that the last few games we have played, that every team has went to a stragety of trapping our defenseman, and slowing down the outlet passing. Most days I wonder what Torts actually does ? He doesnt coach offense, he doesnt scout the opponent, or game plan to take away their weakness. His line management is brutal. We bring in 2 highly skilled guys in Duchene, and Dzingel, and after yesterdays game, Torts admits hes having them focus on playing different away from the puck. Its like the dude has to mold every skilled played into a clone of Nick Foligno, to the point that their offense suffers badly. I mean now after 2 years, were seeing Bjorkstrand finally getting his confidence back. Wennberg focus so much on being a Torts player, that hes become a 4th line center at this point in his career. How does the front office not see this crap ?

 

[Maylo]

Seven reasons Rangers fired Tortorella as coach

Torts has changed they said.

 

[Viqsi]

Seven reasons Rangers fired Tortorella as coach

Torts has changed they said.

#6 isn't relevant here, and #7 isn't either - before anyone brings up Milano, I would offer Dubois and the recent play of Bjorkstrand as counterpoints. (And let's not even get started with Duclair; that's all on Duclair himself.) There are certainly some worrisome parallels elsewhere in that list, tho.

 

[JacketsFanWest]

Has anyone noticed that the last few games we have played, that every team has went to a stragety of trapping our defenseman, and slowing down the outlet passing. Most days I wonder what Torts actually does ? He doesnt coach offense, he doesnt scout the opponent, or game plan to take away their weakness.

My main issue with Torts is that teams have learned how to beat the Jackets. The only way the Jackets can win is by individual effort to outplay the opponent and capitalize on mistakes. That's got to wear on the players to go to the rink and know the other team knows exactly how to beat you so you have to outplay them and not make mistakes. That can work for a game or two, but with all small injuries going through the season it must be mentally draining.

 

[Madifer]

I'm not calling for his firing yet, but I'll readily admit I'm very close to it. These last few games have been absolutely atrocious, even by the standards of this team's past history. It's just Not Okay.

you know very well that the time is now and you know in which sense.

A new, preferably considerably younger coach may have a different approach and the team usually gets a boost under a new coach, at least for a while.

I rq watching the game against the oilers, yesterday was a bit better but still, "just no".

if you go all in then go all in imo

 

[Maylo]

#6 isn't relevant here, and #7 isn't either - before anyone brings up Milano, I would offer Dubois and the recent play of Bjorkstrand as counterpoints. (And let's not even get started with Duclair; that's all on Duclair himself.) There are certainly some worrisome parallels elsewhere in that list, tho.

6 isn't relevant? How many goals were screened or deflected of our own D this season alone?
No sliding on the ice? Savard does only that.

And how many minutes Bjorky got with his recent improved play?
score a goal? - get less ice time!

 

[3074326]

I figured he would be gone today. I think it's time. I'm maybe the only Pens fan in the world who likes Torts for what it's worth.

No sense in firing Jarmo unless they miss the playoffs.

My thoughts as someone looking in from the outside.

 

[stevo61]

#6 isn't relevant here, and #7 isn't either - before anyone brings up Milano, I would offer Dubois and the recent play of Bjorkstrand as counterpoints. (And let's not even get started with Duclair; that's all on Duclair himself.) There are certainly some worrisome parallels elsewhere in that list, tho.

Id disagree about point 7 completely. A small stretch from Bjorkstrand now doent make me think its because of Torts but more despite Torts. Hes all over the map with holding people accountable. Dubois can take multiple careless penalties or see his effort level go up and down but because hes big and a big more physical he gets a pass but skill guys are forced to play scared to make a mistake. Kreider and Zucc went through it and now Bjorkstrand/Milano have gone/going through it.
I personally think hes terrible at bringing skill out of young guys and wanted Torts gone the past2 offseasons. Ive always said he was a needed foundation guy to get things pointed in the right direction but will never be more than that

 

[Viqsi]

6 isn't relevant? How many goals were screened or deflected of our own D this season alone?

No more than any other team in the NHL. The Rangers were exceptional in that regard.

And how many minutes Bjorky got with his recent improved play?
score a goal? - get less ice time!

Your logical fallacy is the texas sharpshooter

 

[We Want Ten]

Has anyone noticed that the last few games we have played, that every team has went to a stragety of trapping our defenseman, and slowing down the outlet passing. Most days I wonder what Torts actually does ? He doesnt coach offense, he doesnt scout the opponent, or game plan to take away their weakness. His line management is brutal. We bring in 2 highly skilled guys in Duchene, and Dzingel, and after yesterdays game, Torts admits hes having them focus on playing different away from the puck. Its like the dude has to mold every skilled played into a clone of Nick Foligno, to the point that their offense suffers badly. I mean now after 2 years, were seeing Bjorkstrand finally getting his confidence back. Wennberg focus so much on being a Torts player, that hes become a 4th line center at this point in his career. How does the front office not see this crap ?

**cough cough William Karlsson

 

[Viqsi]

Id disagree about point 7 completely. A small stretch from Bjorkstrand now doent make me think its because of Torts but more despite Torts. Hes all over the map with holding people accountable. Dubois can take multiple careless penalties or see his effort level go up and down but because hes big and a big more physical he gets a pass but skill guys are forced to play scared to make a mistake. Kreider and Zucc went through it and now Bjorkstrand/Milano have gone/going through it.

There's a bit of a flaw with your argument - Kreider's play style is very much based on being big and physical. He's a "skill guy" the same way Anderson is.

* * *​

**cough cough William Karlsson

 

[Fred Glover]

I don’t see Torts going anywhere seeing as he signed an extension for two more years. I think it is through 20-21. Maybe he is gone the end of next year but I don’t see the organization paying for two head coaches.

 

[MoeBartoli]

Torts day of reckoning will come, but it won’t be during this season. And while I’m not one he’s happy with him, I don’t think it should come at this point of the season.

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

I am going to shrug my shoulders. I know neither highs nor lows.

 

[MoeBartoli]

Seven reasons Rangers fired Tortorella as coach

Torts has changed they said.

What a read. Porty could plagiarize this article, change names to the applicable Jackets, publish it tomorrow and it’d be fresh. Folks can argue if they disagree with given points, but the themes are as ripe today as they were then.

 

[KJ Dangler]

#6 isn't relevant here, and #7 isn't either - before anyone brings up Milano, I would offer Dubois and the recent play of Bjorkstrand as counterpoints. (And let's not even get started with Duclair; that's all on Duclair himself.) There are certainly some worrisome parallels elsewhere in that list, tho.

Bjorkstrand looked all world until Torts chewed up his game in the press , then jerked his minutes around for the next year . Now almost 2 yrs later , he’s finally looking like his old self . So yeah , I wouldn’t be using Bjork to prove your point . Not to mention that Torts totally squandered William Karlsson , with his stupid check first mindset , only for him to leave here , become a #1 C and score 50 last year . And then there’s Wennberg , another Center that Torts has ruined his confidence , turned him into a checking center . I would say that article nailed every point

 

[Viqsi]

Bjorkstrand looked all world until Torts chewed up his game in the press , then jerked his minutes around for the next year . Now almost 2 yrs later , he’s finally looking like his old self . So yeah , I wouldn’t be using Bjork to prove your point . Not to mention that Torts totally squandered William Karlsson , with his stupid check first mindset , only for him to leave here , become a #1 C and score 50 last year . And then there’s Wennberg , another Center that Torts has ruined his confidence , turned him into a checking center . I would say that article nailed every point

Bjorkstrand looked all-world in the AHL, not the NHL; he's only started to look really good everywhere in the last couple weeks (and it's awesome to see). Not too shocking, seeing as though the book on him was "he takes some time to adjust to each new level, but once he does, watch out." And I thought the book on Wennberg was that he was overconfident in his game and unwilling to adjust.

And nobody saw William Karlsson coming; holding that against Torts is asinine.

Seriously, guys. There's enough problems that are real and exist without fabricating additional ones.

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

Anyone else worried that the players and coaches are doing too many commercials?

I mean, look at what happened to Dubinsky. He experienced Meyers Jewelers and he hasn't been the same since.

 

[koteka]

Duchene scored 5 points in his first 20 games with the Sens. If he does something similar here, is it on the coach or the player? And what does that say about the guy who traded for Duchene with about 20 games left in the season?