GDT: The Deadline is upon us - please don't overpay on anything

[zman77]

WINNERS
Carolina Hurricanes
Don Waddell wouldn’t let the injury gods ruin his season. He instead decided to throw down. In separate deals with the Florida Panthers, New Jersey Devils and New York Rangers, he shipped out Erik Haula, Lucas Wallmark, a 2020 first-round pick, a 2020 conditional fourth-round pick and prospects Janne Kuokkanen, Eetu Luostarinen and Chase Priskie – and brought in center Vincent Trocheck and defensemen Sami Vatanen and Brady Skjei. With crucial D-men Dougie Hamilton and Brett Pesce out long-term, Waddell didn’t want to roll over and die. He’s added good mobility to the table with Vatanen and Skjei. Carolina also landed one of the best forwards of the day in the versatile, competitive Trocheck, who is immediately the team’s second-best center. The Metro Division is vicious this year, but the Hurricanes knocked the Capitals out of the playoffs last season, don’t forget, and refuse to be intimidated. Whether their goaltending can hold up with James Reimer and Petr Mrazek out remains to be seen, however.
Who were the winners and losers of the 2020 NHL trade deadline? - TheHockeyNews

 

[Cane mutiny]

As others have said, this was an impressive day but it’s all for naught if our goalies can’t make a f*cking save.

Here’s your big shot Ned, don’t muck it up.

Don't make him nervous. Gotta tell him it's ok if he lets in 10.

 

[zman77]

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

A "lot of draft capital"? They surrendered a 1st (of which they had 2) and a conditional 4th and a 2021 5th. Doesn't seem like a lot of draft capital to me, unless I'm confusing what he means by draft capital.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Don't make him nervous. Gotta tell him it's ok if he lets in 10.

"You're not a f***ing Zamboni driver. If you let in 10, we'll kill you." --Captain Dad

 

[zman77]

 

[garnetpalmetto]

He’s dead

Can I see a police report on that?

 

[DaveG]

So one thing I looked at is that we're set to be around 72.35 on cap next year after these with the only notable RFAs being Foegele and Fleury. It won't be too terrible to make things work when Svech and Dougie come up for their contracts, especially if we give Ronnie a pick to take whichever of Skjei/Gardner. A ton of contracts coming off the books that offseason (Reimer, Mrazek, Dzingle, McGinn, Martinook), a few of those we should be looking to replace from within.

 

[BB88]

One caveat, Vatanen has never played more than 72 games in a season....and in many of those, significantly fewer.

Sure that's a negative, but a big reason why I think we aren't looking at a 6x6 deal or anything here.

A short term deal should be possible.
Would give awesome depth, and be made possible with those beauty contracts to core players.

Just get rid of Marleau hit(which will be) and Gardiner.

No joke, if our 6 defensive players next year are Hamilton, Slavin, Pesce, Vatanen, Skjei, and Fleury we are in great shape to make a legitimate run at the Cup.

For sure, with a damm good looking offense.

It's difficult to believe what the C group has gone through.

Aho
Tro
Staal(defensive specialist)
Is borderline elite.

 

[MinJaBen]

Don't make him nervous. Gotta tell him it's ok if he lets in 10.

That guys gone.

 

[The Faulker 27]

So he wrote that all out and took a picture of it? Huh.

 

[The Faulker 27]

So one thing I looked at is that we're set to be around 72.35 on cap next year after these with the only notable RFAs being Foegele and Fleury. It won't be too terrible to make things work when Svech and Dougie come up for their contracts, especially if we give Ronnie a pick to take whichever of Skjei/Gardner. A ton of contracts coming off the books that offseason (Reimer, Mrazek, Dzingle, McGinn, Martinook), a few of those we should be looking to replace from within.

Does this factor in Marleau's 6.25M coming off? Also, I can't believe we're still paying Semin 2.33M until 2021.

 

[SlavinAway]

So he wrote that all out and took a picture of it? Huh.

He wanted to flex his penmanship.

 

[My Special Purpose]

in the darkest timeline, the canes and leafs miss the playoffs, and the leafs lottery hits for the second pick - only jumped by the winners of the first overall, your carolina hurricanes!

Yep, there's a non-zero chance we just traded Alex Lafrenierre for Brady Skjei. Obviously ridiculously unlikely, but I think we should have Top 10 protected our pick, the same way TOR did.

It won't be too terrible to make things work when Svech and Dougie come up for their contracts, especially if we give Ronnie a pick to take whichever of Skjei/Gardner.

I'm starting to wonder if that's what we're saving Bean for. Bean-to-Seattle in exchange for agreeing to take the player of our choice.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

So he wrote that all out and took a picture of it? Huh.

I guess it’s easier than making it into a couple tweets or using stupid abbreviations for each guy to fit the character limit?

 

[DaveG]

Does this factor in Marleau's 6.25M coming off? Also, I can't believe we're still paying Semin 2.33M until 2021.

yes

 

[Wild Caniac]

that wasn't even our defense at it's worst

I was trying to think of the super bad 2010-2015 era defenseman and those seemed to be memorable "cornerstone" players for us.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Yep, there's a non-zero chance we just traded Alex Lafrenierre for Brady Skjei. Obviously ridiculously unlikely, but I think we should have Top 10 protected our pick, the same way TOR did.
.

Yep, that's the part I don't like about this. Maybe Dundon and Waddell were so confident they decided to risk it. Maybe Ranger's knew how badly we needed a D and wouldn't accept a pick that wasn't 2020 if it was protected. Either way, I don't like that part of it.

 

[BB88]

Does this factor in Marleau's 6.25M coming off? Also, I can't believe we're still paying Semin 2.33M until 2021.

There's a lot of money coming off the books in the next 18 months which will allow Canes to do some moves.

Marleau, Semin, Dzingel, Edmunson, TVR,
+ 2 potential cap raises.

With Aho, TT, Slavin, Pesce signed longterm already.

 

[zman77]

Well done Don Waddell!!
'Canes made a big splash @ the NHL TDL by getting:
2 Top 4 D-Men
&
a Top 6 Forward
In any trade, teams have to give something to get something.
The Leafs would've loved to do these trades but end of with very little to improve the area they need now.

 

[Chrispy]

Can I see a police report on that?

No police report, but I hunted down a medical report.

 

[To Be Determined]

in the darkest timeline, the canes and leafs miss the playoffs, and the leafs lottery hits for the second pick - only jumped by the winners of the first overall, your carolina hurricanes!

apologies for quoting myself, but after this super pessimistic half-joke i actually thought about it and now i have a question for @Lempo or anyone else with an answer:

is our pick officially encumbered? if not, is the following possible - say toronto crashes and burns and ends the season safely in the top 10 picks, and we miss the playoffs. could we make an insurance trade with a team that has two firsts that basically says if our pick is better than theirs, we'll trade ours for theirs? so, if we won first overall we could trade to ottawa for, say, the second and third if that is how the lottery shakes out? then we keep the second and send the third to the rags?

i don't know how deadlines are set for exactly when we have to choose a pick to send, as long as we send them a first by the draft. can we play around prior to draft day as long as we always have something to send them?

as a different example, say we end up with the 12th and 20th in the draft. could we trade those (with whatever to balance value) to the ducks for ~7 and 31 (damn bruins) then send our metro friends the 31st?

this day has made me a bit loopy, methinks.

 

[My Special Purpose]

What if we made a separate deal with TOR to remove the conditions on the pick?

 

[zman77]

 

[VAcaniac]

Im just trying to wrap my ahead around us having a cap *ceiling* issue and not a cap *floor* issue.

man, have times changed.