The Daily Bozak Thread

[daveleaf]

I think Bozak should be kept this summer, at what price I am not sure. He is a valuable player in many ways but not first line material. Most teams would try to sign him to third line money, maybe second but I would rather have Kadri on the second line.

The issue here is Grabo and how he should be moved and for what. Bozak should stay on this team.

 

[thewave]

Are we pumping Bozaks tires on purpose or are just dying to give out some more inflated value contracts. Grabo is a 4.5m guy that's what I thought, Bozak is a 3.5 max and should be signed to that along with Mac and Kule. Frat Should fetch 2.5 short term and Kadri will probably get 4.5

 

[Faltorvo]

Guess you missed the game winning pass to Kessel last night, also his work in the final mins with Kule and Mcclement was coattailing at it's best.

Those are mins you are going to see plenty of in the playoffs.

You obviously place value in TB.

Explain me this.

Why is this young C not signed yet?

Given our teams need and what value the league places on Cs.


Why is he not signed?

You give me an answer to that question, one that i can buy into and i might be able to view TB in a different light.

Right now all i see is a Moore/Staj like coattail rider, trying to score a bad contract.

 

[TML23]

We all know he was free an brought some value. We also all know he is not a 1c so why not audition him in his future role?

Yes, I understand he may not be your typical #1 center. However, let's say we do upgrade this position by acquiring another player at 6-7 mil per year. Now the question is, can we still maintain our scoring depth after paying so much dollars to our ideal #1 center?

I would rather have scoring depth than one center who can carry that line. If you can think of a way to improve our #1 center and maintain all our roster players throughout the next two years, you are always welcome to do so lol

 

[darrylsittler27]

One of them is gone.

Why wasn't he signed,good question but we wont be blackmailed. If needed we can let him walk,especially after Burke signed Grabo to mega bucks.The choice must be made to sign a star center and let someone go or to try and win with 2 number 3 C's? Like it or not we cant afford 2C we arent stars at $5M plus then to sign Kadri.And do you think McClement might notice he is worth more to us at $1.5 M?

I think Montreal is the last team to win with that formula but Roy stood on his head.

 

[thewave]

Are we pumping Bozaks tires on purpose or are just dying to give out some more inflated value contracts. Grabo is a 4.5m guy that's what I thought, Bozak is a 3.5 max and should be signed to that along with Mac and Kule. Frat Should fetch 2.5 short term and Kadri will probably get 4.5

 

[Amadeus]

4-4.5 for Bozak is absolutely okay.

Another guy comparable could be Desharnais, but I think Bozak is better.

 

[thewave]

I do agree with you. A lot of Leaf fans are asking Bozak to be the #1 center for the Leafs and play like Crosby. Currently he is only make 1.5 mil per year and he is playing in many aspects of the game including PK, PP, 1st line center, Faceoff specialist.

I would have to say, it's amazing that we were able to pick up Bozak for basically free (entry-level contract signed with the Leafs). We really need to appreciate how much value he was able to bring to the team.

We all know he was free an brought some value. We also all know he is not a 1c so why not audition him in his future role?

 

[Eb]

We all know he was free an brought some value. We also all know he is not a 1c so why not audition him in his future role?

Because he is currently the best 1c we have. Kessel and JVR are both producing, that's all that matters.

 

[Faltorvo]

Yes, I understand he may not be your typical #1 center. However, let's say we do upgrade this position by acquiring another player at 6-7 mil per year. Now the question is, can we still maintain our scoring depth after paying so much dollars to our ideal #1 center?

I would rather have scoring depth than one center who can carry that line. If you can think of a way to improve our #1 center and maintain all our roster players throughout the next two years, you are always welcome to do so lol

I do see the ability down the road to add another big money C as long as we don't get stuck with another tweener deal like Grabo's and thats where my fear of Bozak comes in. We have another year to move Grabo or amnesty him if need be.

Bozak is pushing for a Grabo like deal, of that i have no doubt or he would be signed by now.

Mark my words this will not end well, we will either sign him to a deal that will over pay him or we will lose what asset value he held on the trade market.

 

[Faltorvo]

You just told me last week it was not time to experiment, and this is what you post?

JVR, Kessel, and BOZAK just had a great game last night and you want to experiment.

Kulemin was dead with Grabo, and you want to put them back together.

I get it, you want to rescue Grabo at the cost of the team, he was a #2C on a bad team.

I said, predicted, screamed when Grabo was no longer our #2C we would no longer be a lottery team, Grabo is no longer a #2C on this team, the proof is for all to see where we are today.

This discussion reminds me of last year, where there were 4 or 5 Ron Wilson defenders left on board citing his 500 + wins, Grabo is like Wilson, his best before date has passed, time to move on for some of us. He will be a buy out option this summer, if Nonis can get a bag of pucks for him in a trade, I would nominate him for GM of the year. To think we missed a 1st rd pick for him is assinine, his value is like Komi's right now.

I agree with your Grabo analysis and my greatest fear is that Bozak is on the verge of becoming version 2.0.

We already failed to get anything for Boz at the TD and now we are cornered.

Bad contract or lost asset value.

Same deal with Mac.

For a time i had thought that maybe Boz and Mac had been unsigned because of Lou and Van being in no shape to take on any contracts with term.

But here we sit, past the Lou trade option and still unsigned.

 

[Ash35]

I do see the ability down the road to add another big money C as long as we don't get stuck with another tweener deal like Grabo's and thats where my fear of Bozak comes in. We have another year to move Grabo or amnesty him if need be.

Bozak is pushing for a Grabo like deal, of that i have no doubt or he would be signed by now.

Mark my words this will not end well, we will either sign him to a deal that will over pay him or we will lose what asset value he held on the trade market.

No team will offer Bosak 5.5 million. Any team that does will never do well with that kind of pay structure. Leafs already made the mistake of over valuing Grabo, they aren't going to do it again. Bosak is worth $4 mil MAX and even that is an over payment.

 

[thewave]

No team will offer Bosak 5.5 million. Any team that does will never do well with that kind of pay structure. Leafs already made the mistake of over valuing Grabo, they aren't going to do it again. Bosak is worth $4 mil MAX and even that is an over payment.

Bozak is in the 3.5 range and Grabo legit should make 4.5 those are tops

 

[Alexanderthe89]

There is so much wrong in here it's scary.

Your saying we would be up against the cap in two years? It's very likely to rise by a couple million for starters.

Kadri at 6m in 2 years?

Kessel settles for 5.5m ?

We don't sign Dion to a back diving retirement deal?

This team is in dire need of C depth, why has Bozak not signed before the trade deadline passed?

Why are we in a position to either lose him for no asset returns or extorted into a bad contract.

If he will sign for 3rd/4th line money, then maybe. 1.5m/2.5m per for 4 years, and thats it.

It's easy to be scared of things you don't understand.

I'm not guaranteeing what Kessel/Phaneuf/whoever will make. That wasn't the point of the thread, but hey, thanks for nit-picking. My point is that as a young team we're going to have a lot of players looking for raises. Signing Bozak to a reasonable deal helps us keep the top 9 we've been building around.

Not to mention the fact that there aren't really a lot of these fabled #1 centers available without vastly overpaying. That leaves guys like Ribeiro or Roy as our best option. I say no thanks, I'd rather have Bozak for less than those guys make.

 

[kihei]

Apropos of nothing in particular, just kind of interesting:

Tyler Seguin 12 goals 14 assists 26 points
Tyler Bozak 11 goals 14 assists 25 points

 

[Pi]

Apropos of nothing in particular, just kind of interesting:

Tyler Seguin 12 goals 14 assists 26 points
Tyler Bozak 11 goals 14 assists 25 points

And he faces tougher competition!

CJ tried Seguin at center and it didn't work at all and he put him back at wing after the experiment. He's essentially a winger now despite the fans saying otherwise.

 

[hotpaws]

And he faces tougher competition!

CJ tried Seguin at center and it didn't work at all and he put him back at wing after the experiment. He's essentially a winger now despite the fans saying otherwise.

Seguin plays on the Bruins shut down like and faces the oppositions top offensive line every game .

The B's are a very defensive orientated team and place a premium on the C's D over what he can provide offensively and that's why he wasn't given much of a trial at C when Bergy was concussed . Now if it makes you feel better to knock the kid then go right ahead but I would keep it on our board because it may not play so well on the main forums .

 

[paulster2626]

What you say above is a common misconception people make.

Put it this way... Bozak on the 1st line has 1st line line mates. Right? He's playing with elite players.

You told us Toronto doesn't have any elite players.

You really need to make up your mind. Can't just keep flip-flopping your opinions to rag on the Leafs in whatever thread you're reading.

 

[Leaftors]

McCulemov = a great third line we saw that last night

grabo can be gone as far as im concerned, and bozak i feel is a must stay.

 

[calcal798]

I'd rather resign Bozak at 3.5 mil and have him centering Kessel then paying Grabo 5.5 mil for doing jack ****.

 

[SpeakerForTheDead]

Whether Bozak is back next season depends on his contract demands, what happens with Grabo and what centres are available through trade because I don't see Ribeiro/Weiss/Roy as good fits on our team for the money they will demand.

I like Bozak but with guys such as Leino and the like getting $4.5M long-term contracts as UFAs, I doubt Bozak will be back next season.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kadri and McClement were the only two centres from this years team that make it to next years team.

The name that gets thrown around a lot seems to be Stastny but is Stastny at $6.6M better value than Bozak at $4M? I'm not so sure he is. Nonis has some tough decisions to make for sure.

 

[Pi]

Seguin plays on the Bruins shut down like and faces the oppositions top offensive line every game .

The B's are a very defensive orientated team and place a premium on the C's D over what he can provide offensively and that's why he wasn't given much of a trial at C when Bergy was concussed . Now if it makes you feel better to knock the kid then go right ahead but I would keep it on our board because it may not play so well on the main forums .

You're right, it must be real hard to shut down players if you're on a line with Bergeron as your center.

Weren't Bruins fans saying how great Seguin is defensively? If he was so good defensively...he would be counted upon as a center when Bergeron got injured.

Clearly, Julien doesn't think he's that good defensively. Those are big shoes to fill. I don't think he can be a center on the Bruins even if Krejci got injured instead of Bergeron.

 

[Faltorvo]

It's easy to be scared of things you don't understand.

I'm not guaranteeing what Kessel/Phaneuf/whoever will make. That wasn't the point of the thread, but hey, thanks for nit-picking. My point is that as a young team we're going to have a lot of players looking for raises. Signing Bozak to a reasonable deal helps us keep the top 9 we've been building around.

Not to mention the fact that there aren't really a lot of these fabled #1 centers available without vastly overpaying. That leaves guys like Ribeiro or Roy as our best option. I say no thanks, I'd rather have Bozak for less than those guys make.

Your trying to lay a foundation for the debate with false numbers.

Hence, the foundation of the debate is false.

If Bozak was asking for a reasonable deal, he would be signed by now, wake up.

 

[The Apologist]

Your trying to lay a foundation for the debate with false numbers.

Hence, the foundation of the debate is false.

If Bozak was asking for a reasonable deal, he would be signed by now, wake up.

Prove it

 

[GordieHoweHatTrick]

Guy has one good game and we're ready to give him 4.5.. all the other games he's worth 3. These threads are extremely nauseating.