Prospect Info: The Adolescent 2019 Draft Thread
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Better in every single sense except compete level (still one of the top 3 competitive players in the draft along with Krebs and Podkolzin). Also, Turcotte is a center and much much better in his own zone.
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The Lottery balls have no memory haha but either way if we’re in the top 8 I think we’d be getting a impact player.
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True lol. Oh for sure, we should be getting a pretty good prospect once again. We really have to hit this one out of the park though. We can't afford another bust
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Pretty good video and it helps me understand a little bit why others rate him so highly even if I fundamentally disagree. What's interesting too is that the guy who made the video says re his playmaking "[...] that said, those assists are often created with the help of his puck skills and hockey IQ, not necessarily with his passing and vision", yet he goes ahead and gives him a 4 out of 5 in passing.
But it's interesting to watch this video because if you look closer in almost every clip Podkolzins first instinct is to stickhandle his way to the net, even if he has better options available. Seriously, go back and watch that video and really look at it. If I had watch that video before I wouldn't have needed to put out my own clips of it
That's all he does, and obviously he's damn good at it, but his chances of succeeding with those moves drops significantly at the NHL level, which I why I would like to see a more complete game from him (mainly passing ability) before I'm ready to put him as high as everyone else has him.
I also disagree with the hockey IQ part of the video, he says he has 5/5 hockey IQ but if he did he'd recognize the problem of how he plays and use his teammates much better. He only uses them as a last resort if he can't do it all on his own basically. His hockey IQ is still fine I think, but hardly 5/5. He also overrates the physical aspect of Podkolzins game. Yes he can lay hits and seperate guys from pucks, but he's really not that good at protecting it with his body.
He also rated his shooting 5/5 and while Podkolzins shot is good he's not a pure sniper so seems weird to give him a full grade for that.
The one thing I will say do though is that Podkolzin's skating ability is a little bit better than I originally thought, but I still am not sure if he is elusive enough to play the style of game that he is playing. Probably doesn't help that he's 6'1 in that regard, so his best bet would be to bulk up and really learn how to protect the puck. If he does that combined with improved playmaking skills, then I could see a case for him being a top prospect, but as of now, no.
With all this being said, it's not like I hate the guy. I still think he's a decent prospect, just not top5 material.
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The Ducks are winning 4-2. After today, we are 3rd last in the league.
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We will have a 34% chance of top-3, 11.5% chance for #1. Going to be a great draft!
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We will have a 34% chance of top-3, 11.5% chance for #1. Going to be a great draft!
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If we do find ourselves picking at three I hope its Dach or Cozens and not Podkolzin. Don't trust us handling his development properly (don't feel the same about Kakko... very complete player and has a pro style game). *crosses fingers for Kakko*
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I agree to an extent. I would take Dach or Turcotte, who I like more than Cozens.
And even if we were good at developing europeans, I would be cautious with Pod. Doesn't seem like he has much hockey iq. He would probably need a good 3 years to work on maturing his game. He is extremely skilled, don't get me wrong, but I don't think his game will transition well to NA ice. Not enough space to dangle.
Kakko however I would take. Wayyy too good a player to pass on. IMO the #1.
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Honestly I'm quite scared the Oilers will draft Dylan Cozens. I could already hear Bob Green or whoever at the NHL draft floor after drafting him saying "He checks a lot of boxes for us, he's big, he can skate, he's a center, he's right-handed and he's got a shot...he's going to be a big part of our future"
...and then he busts.
...and then he busts.
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On paper he seems to be perfect. Big, right handed, center, great shot, great skater, good 2 way game.
But the IQ issues you pointed out earlier seem to be very real. After watching him more I find he just loses the puck into defenders feet very often and a lot of the time just skates himself into a corner.
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What's the issue with Dylan Cozens? Is it lack of hockey IQ? I think I read somewhere someone mentioned that you'd think he's be more productive with the range of skills & physical tools he possesses. I think I'm leaning with others here... my board:
1. Kakko
2. Hughes
3. Dach
4. Turcotte
5. Cozens
6. Krebs
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Currently my top 10:
1a. Kakko
1b. Hughes
3. Turcotte
4. Dach
5. Byram
6. Cozens
7. Boldy
8. Krebs
9. Podkolzin
10. York/Soderstrom
The gaps in between represent the different tiers of the players imo.
1a. Kakko
1b. Hughes
3. Turcotte
4. Dach
5. Byram
6. Cozens
7. Boldy
8. Krebs
9. Podkolzin
10. York/Soderstrom
The gaps in between represent the different tiers of the players imo.
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I have Turcotte ahead of Dach simply because Turcotte is a much better skater, better 2 way player, and he competes on every single shift.
Dach is bigger and right handed but Turcotte is electric in both ends of the ice and has an endless motor.
Could go either way but I like Turcotte a lot more.
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No one here seems to talk about Dach’s strech of 3 points in 17 games? Any reason for the low production?
Zaddy
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It's been discussed a bit in the prospects thread on the main board.
Seems like he's been dealing with some sort of injury.
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Yup, I've had the same worry. Seems so much like an Oilers pick.
Praying we win the lottery.
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Interesting. It's pretty similar to mine actually, but I've got Zegras in there. He plays a very similar game to Hughes, just a little bit worse at everything except shooting. Much better production than Boldy.
1. Kakko
2. Hughes
3/4. Dach/Turcotte (love them both, keep flip-flopping between them)
5. Krebs
6. Byram
7. Zegras
8. Cozens
9. Podkolzin
10. Boldy
The way it's shaping, only the top-5 is relevant. Looking more and more likely we can get one of Kakko, Hughes, Dach, or Turcotte.
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Yes, confidence is a lovely thing. This is the player we need Puljujarvi to become at the NHL level. The power skating and offensive toolbox is there, just need to build his confidence up.
Notice him playing the left half wall on the powerplay and teeing up his one-timer....still hasn't been given that opportunity with the Oilers. Just completely dense organization on how to develop a player. Most big men need to skate and get their legs under them. They need lots of ice time to get the feel for it. Remember Dustin Penner being like this. That said, if you aren't going to give him the minutes, at least give him PP time. He is the most talented winger on the NHL club(if Drai is considered a C). How can he be left in the box while Lucic and Cave get on the ice on the PP?
Either send the player down to gain the confidence, or put him in a position to succeed at the NHL level. How hard is this to understand?
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