The 2022 NHL Draft Thread v4 (Coyotes have #3 pick)

[Heldig]

Exactly. You need two. And Hayton ain’t it. Ideally you have Someone better than Cooley and then Cooley and then Hayton.

But even that’s not enough given we don’t have any first pairing defensemen in the system once Chychrun is gone. And no goalie of the future. Haha.

This is just the 2nd draft of a 4 draft plan. We got time.

On another thread a Leafs fan commented about trading Engvall as part of the trade for Chychrun...claiming he would be the Coyotes 2nd or 3rd best forward. Sadly, I could only bump him down to 5th. How sad.

 

[lanky]

I know it's way early, but does the '23 draft have a high end dman like Nemec projected to go top 5? I'm so back and forth on this pick and I think I'm leaning Nemec now. Then Fantilli in '23. Hoping one of our late 1sts or 2nd this year can be the #2C. Maybe we should grab the high-end dman that's about to fall to us now. Especially if he's three years away from the NHL.

If Fantilli is your plan then you need to execute on the tank better than what was executed this season. With Bedard in the lottery there's going to be far more competition to suck. Our roster is likely to be more potent than last year. I just don't see how Fantilli can be part of a realistic plan. We would have to trade Ghost and Chychrun for futures only and then run the following in order to be that bad.

Moser - Mayo
Dineen - Timmins
Kolyachonok - Soderstom

Vejy
Prosvetov

 

[Bonsai Tree]

You can’t execute a tank any better than we did. You also can’t overcook talent in the AHL lest you do another Bunting blunder. We may well end up bottom 10, but it is a fool’s bet to count on bottom 5. Way too many variables.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

I would like to trade Chychrun for a pick which gets you Nemec or Juricek. I would still take Cooley or Slafkowsky over a D.

 

[rt]

I know it's way early, but does the '23 draft have a high end dman like Nemec projected to go top 5? I'm so back and forth on this pick and I think I'm leaning Nemec now. Then Fantilli in '23. Hoping one of our late 1sts or 2nd this year can be the #2C. Maybe we should grab the high-end dman that's about to fall to us now. Especially if he's three years away from the NHL.

I personally have more concerns about Nemec’s game than Cooley’s. I just like Cooley a bit more as a prospect. Regardless of position. So that’s the kid I’d pick. As for blueliners next year, who knows? Not one person had Slafkovsky Top 3 a year ago, and everyone knew Brad Lambert was Wright’s only competition for 1st overall. Things change. I like Lukas Dragicevic a lot. But I don’t know if he’ll end up a top five or ten pick or what.

Strategy is good. We’ve seen what happens when this club doesn’t have one. But strategizing your execution of one draft, based on what might happen in the next one is a little too much, I think. That’s more superstition than science I think.

If Fantilli is your plan then you need to execute on the tank better than what was executed this season. With Bedard in the lottery there's going to be far more competition to suck. Our roster is likely to be more potent than last year. I just don't see how Fantilli can be part of a realistic plan. We would have to trade Ghost and Chychrun for futures only and then run the following in order to be that bad.

Moser - Mayo
Dineen - Timmins
Kolyachonok - Soderstom

Vejy
Prosvetov

And while they defense is pretty terrible, we have to remember that we can draft Cooley and STILL use two firsts and two or three seconds on defensemen. That’s more than most teams do over two or three or four years.

 

[jmelm]

No matter what, we would still need another center in the top 6 that would compliment Cooley well if he’s our pick. He alone won’t solve our problems. Point has Stamkos. Pavelski had Thornton. Crosby has Malkin etc.

That's what our 9 other picks in this draft, and the 20 picks we have in the next 2 drafts are for. Plus the Chychrun return, plus taking on other contracts for more picks, etc.

And by the time we're ready to turn the corner from the rebuild in 2 or 3 years (and assuming the arena situation is long figured out by then), we'll have no problem whatsoever in attracting UFAs.

We'll be just fine...

 

[jmelm]

I know it's way early, but does the '23 draft have a high end dman like Nemec projected to go top 5? I'm so back and forth on this pick and I think I'm leaning Nemec now. Then Fantilli in '23. Hoping one of our late 1sts or 2nd this year can be the #2C. Maybe we should grab the high-end dman that's about to fall to us now. Especially if he's three years away from the NHL.

I haven't looked at the list yet behind the obvious high end forwards we've all heard about, but two things I'll say: Firstly, someone always emerges. So maybe there's one or two Dmen in or on the verge of top 10, but others will emerge before the draft. Second, this is why you ALWAYS draft the best asset available when you're picking anywhere near the top half of the first round. If 2 years from now we ended up with Cooley, Fantilli and some other 1st line C prospect from the 2024 draft, it's no problem at all to trade a top 6 center for a top 2 Dman.

I would like to trade Chychrun for a pick which gets you Nemec or Juricek. I would still take Cooley or Slafkowsky over a D.

No team picking drafting high enough to be in the range of Nemec/Jirieck (SEA, PHI, CLB) would rather take an older guy in Chychrun over the younger D who fits better with the age of their core, AND give up multiple other assets on top of the 1st pick in a multiple-piece Chychrun trade.

However, there will be other teams in the top 15 or 20 range who are suitors for Chychrun, including possibly ANA at 10, CLB at 12, NYI at 13, possibly DAL at 18, and certainly LA at 19.

Ignore Jiricek -- there's a meaningful gap in between Nemec and him, and I'm not even convinced he's the second Dman chosen in this draft. There will be other high end D available at various points in the top 20. Korchinski, Pickering, Mintyukov, Rinzel, Bischel, Chesley. If we trade JC to LA, for example, who happens to have the lowest of those picks, and we get either Grans or Faber plus #19, we're getting 2 top-4 Dmen just in that one trade, ignoring our other 2 first rounders and all our other picks.

And while they defense is pretty terrible, we have to remember that we can draft Cooley and STILL use two firsts and two or three seconds on defensemen. That’s more than most teams do over two or three or four years.

Yes, exactly. As I just mentioned above, there are several potential Chychrun suitors between picks 10 and 19. I'm not even including the teams picking later in the first (WSH, EDM, STL, etc.) who also woudl have interest. I just listed the obvious choices that should be available in that 10-20 range.

Additionally, aside from the Dmen rated in the late first/early second such as Hamara, Luneau, Warren, Lamoureux, Casey, Odelius, Havelid, Salamonsson, etc. -- there are also a few VERY intriguing Russian Dmen prospects who will fall into the late first and early second. Keep an eye on Duda, Orlov, Ivanov (6'4) and others.

I have no doubt with our scouting staff, we'll be able to mine at least 1 or 2 Dmen in the later rounds. Considering we already have the base of Moser/Soda/Timmins/Koly/etc, it's not like we have zero Dmen in the system. We just need 1 or 2 that can slot in near the top so everyone else can slot into their correct positions.

I also REALLY believe we should trade up from at least one of the late firsts + 2nds to get higher into the first round. So we have lots of options to add to our pool.

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

I’d also be open to moving chychrun to get into the top 15 to get mateychuk. I really like him

 

[rt]

I’d also be open to moving chychrun to get into the top 15 to get mateychuk. I really like him

I love Mateychuk. He’s the 3rd defenseman on my board. 11th overall. It LA offered Faber and their 1st with Mateychuk still on the board, I’d be very tempted to move Chychrun for that.

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

I love Mateychuk. He’s the 3rd defenseman on my board. 11th overall. It LA offered Faber and their 1st with Mateychuk still on the board, I’d be very tempted to move Chychrun for that.

Throw in vilardi/turcotte and that’s a reasonable and very possible deal

 

[rt]

Throw in vilardi/turcotte and that’s a reasonable and very possible deal

Vilardi+Faber+Mateychuk is a price I could live with.

 

[Gwyddbwyll]

I would like to trade Chychrun for a pick which gets you Nemec or Juricek. I would still take Cooley or Slafkowsky over a D.

Nemec and Jiricek are exciting prospects - I'm hoping we end up with one of them. I could see BA doing a classic veteran GM move where he finds out what Seattle are after and trades down one slot at a time.

Drafting defensemen is tough and the Coyotes have been pretty poor at it in the late 1st and early 2nd rounds. Most of these names being mentioned aren't going to be more than #4-6 in the NHL. Hopefully we get a top 3 defenseman out of that range as well as our top pick.

 

[BAdvocate]

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[gorsk11]

Nemec and Jiricek are exciting prospects - I'm hoping we end up with one of them. I could see BA doing a classic veteran GM move where he finds out what Seattle are after and trades down one slot at a time.

Drafting defensemen is tough and the Coyotes have been pretty poor at it in the late 1st and early 2nd rounds. Most of these names being mentioned aren't going to be more than #4-6 in the NHL. Hopefully we get a top 3 defenseman out of that range as well as our top pick.

We have had a hard time drafting dynamic forwards... I would rather have Cooley than one of the Dmen

 

[Puck possession wins]

I’d also be open to moving chychrun to get into the top 15 to get mateychuk

If we're moving Chychrun it has to be for a 2023 1st. Regardless of whether the deal is with LA or not, we don't need any more picks this draft.

It LA offered Faber and their 1st with Mateychuk still on the board

Chych for a 2023 1st, Farber and either Villardi or Turcotte is a deal I would make.

Now for moving up in this draft, I'd rather package the Colorado/Carolina picks to move up into the lower teens or upper 20's to position us for McGroraty or Lambert, if they fall. Miroshnichenko also intrigues me if he falls as well.

We're going to be able to find numerous defensemen to take in the 2nd round with the picks we have. Plus we have a greater ability to trade back in the 2nd round and accumulate more picks to take stabs at certain players.

 

[Vinny Boombatz]

So has the measurements come out yet? Anyone have a link?

 

[lanky]

So has the measurements come out yet? Anyone have a link?

Next weekend. Just interviews this week and some medical checks on Wednesday.

Now for moving up in this draft, I'd rather package the Colorado/Carolina picks to move up into the lower teens or upper 20's to position us for McGroraty or Lambert, if they fall. Miroshnichenko also intrigues me if he falls as well.

I bet you could get both McGroarty and Miroshnichenko if you keep the picks where they are.

 

[rt]

Next weekend. Just interviews this week and some medical checks on Wednesday.


I bet you could get both McGroarty and Miroshnichenko if you keep the picks where they are.

If I could nab McGroarty that late I’d be doing cartwheels. But I’d definitely skip Miroshnichenko in that case. Can’t spend three 1sts in two years on wingers.

 

[Puck possession wins]

I bet you could get both McGroarty and Miroshnichenko if you keep the picks where they are.

Either way, if we’re moving any picks this draft, it should be for trading up in the 1st round using the Carolina/Colorado picks.

Or if we decide to trade back in the 2nd round (just depends on our lists).

 

[rt]

The guys I have highest on my list that I could imagine falling to our later 1sts are

1. (14) McGroarty (W)
2. (17) Chesley (RD)
3. (19) Gaucher (C)
4. (20) Bichsel (LD)
5. (22) Del Bel Belluz (C)

^ (#) = my rank…

 

[jmelm]

If I could nab McGroarty that late I’d be doing cartwheels. But I’d definitely skip Miroshnichenko in that case. Can’t spend three 1sts in two years on wingers.

Yeah, exactly. We’re not getting McGroarty in the late 20s. The question is: does he even make it to 20?

As for Moro, I’d rather swing on other guys (Trikozov specifically, though he may also be gone by then).

I’ll be surprised if we don’t trade up at least ONCE in the first 2 rounds. The question is do we trade up more than once?

The guys I have highest on my list that I could imagine falling to our later 1sts are

1. (14) McGroarty (W)
2. (17) Chesley (RD)
3. (19) Gaucher (C)
4. (20) Bichsel (LD)
5. (22) Del Bel Belluz (C)

^ (#) = my rank…

Where’s Pickering and Rinzel?

Where do you have Beck, Goyette and Julian Lutz?

 

[British yote]

Could we not get a first for ghost this year? Would it not be better to package him with some retention for a higher pick in the teens this year, than to trade him to a team that’s already secured a playoff spot for a late first next year?

Then we just take on another bad D contract for assets again to fill out the D

 

[rt]

Yeah, exactly. We’re not getting McGroarty in the late 20s. The question is: does he even make it to 20?

As for Moro, I’d rather swing on other guys (Trikozov specifically, though he may also be gone by then).

I’ll be surprised if we don’t trade up at least ONCE in the first 2 rounds. The question is do we trade up more than once?




Where’s Pickering and Rinzel?

Where do you have Beck, Goyette and Julian Lutz?

Pickering at 25, Beck at 26, Rinzel at 46 and neither Goyette nor Lutz are currently in the Top 50. Lutz and Nyman have to get in there somehow. I’ve got to drop some lower skil CHL guys I’ve got a soft spot for and some Swedish skill kids who didn’t really have the production to match the hype. But I’m not there yet.

I don’t like Goyette at all. But I need to watch some games at the end of the season to have another look. The handful I caught earlier in the season put him on my Do Not Draft. Softest hockey player I’ve ever seen. Seemed to dedicate his entire game to being as effective as humanly possible while avoiding all traffic and contact. Actually kind of impressive in a “that’s not what hockey is” kind of way.

But he’s very young for a draft eligible and this was his rookie year because of COVID and being a late bloomer. He’s obviously unbelievably skilled and super smart. But I hated everything about his game. Maybe he got that fixed up by the end of the year. I’ll show e to check. I’m interested in Musty’s progression anyway. Talk about a roller coaster of a player.

Could we not get a first for ghost this year? Would it not be better to package him with some retention for a higher pick in the teens this year, than to trade him to a team that’s already secured a playoff spot for a late first next year?

Then we just take on another bad D contract for assets again to fill out the D

I think we’d have to retain on Gostisbehere just to get a late 2nd. On a better team, he’s a sheltered PP specialist. Teams know what he is, and likely aren’t too surprised that he was able to flourish on a bottom feeder, while hiding behind Chychrun at even strength. He was better than I expected (when Chychrun was playing) and I’m glad to have him around. I wouldn’t expect him to have that same kind of success on a better, deeper team.

 

[jmelm]

Could we not get a first for ghost this year? Would it not be better to package him with some retention for a higher pick in the teens this year, than to trade him to a team that’s already secured a playoff spot for a late first next year?

Then we just take on another bad D contract for assets again to fill out the D

I’m sure BA is looking at every possibility. Ghost has been a great story, but he may not be in an ideal age range when we’re really turning the corner, and he’s not going to help us get Bedard next season. So if there’s an opportunity to move him for a solid return, he’ll be gone, but he won’t be given away for something mediocre. So however long it takes to get a good return for him will dictate how long he’s here.

 

[hbk]

Canes pick is locked in at 27 OV.