Prospect Info: The 2019 Entry NHL Draft Thread - Part II

[henchman21]

If the 2nd window is the 1st window... it will be without MacKinnon.

 

[The Abusement Park]

But the 2nd window will most likely be the 1st window.

Chances are we’ll have one window which will probably be 2-4 years. That window should open next season after sakic makes a couple aggressive moves.

 

[cgf]

I was gonna read it, but will just wait for the movie.

*don’t make dumb-American joke, don’t make dumb-American joke, don’t make dumb-American joke*

Understandable. That is, after all, the most any of us can expect when trying to have a conversation with an American.

Good talk.


*dammit*

 

[Iceberg]

Chances are we’ll have one window which will probably be 2-4 years. That window should open next season after sakic makes a couple aggressive moves.

I certainly hope you are wrong, it probably would mean Makar and/or the OTT pick didn't have the impact we hoped for.

 

[cgf]

I certainly hope you are wrong, it probably would mean Makar and/or the OTT pick didn't have the impact we hoped for.

? Makar delivering is part of what we need to open that 1st window. And we need Sakic to be proactive so that waiting on the OTT pick doesn’t keep us from opening our window & further limiting our swings at capitalizing on Window 1.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I certainly hope you are wrong, it probably would mean Makar and/or the OTT pick didn't have the impact we hoped for.

How many teams have had a cup window longer than 4 years? The penguins, because they have 2 of the 3 best players in the league. The Caps? They have the greatest goal scorer of all time and are one of the best drafting teams in the league. The Hawks? They capped out around 5-6 years.

To expect the Avs to be able to compete for a cup for 5-6-7-8-9 years is completely unrealistic.

 

[Pokecheque]

I had to backtrack a couple pages to try and understand this "window" conversation, and even after doing so I have no f***ing clue what it is y'all are talking about.

 

[Iceberg]

If the 2nd window is the 1st window... it will be without MacKinnon.

The 1st window will really open in 2020-21 and will be longer than 4 years and MacK will be pretty happy despite his BBF not being around anymore.

 

[cgf]

I had to backtrack a couple pages to try and understand this "window" conversation, and even after doing so I have no ****ing clue what it is y'all are talking about.

Just that contenders don’t often last for a decade in a capworld, and so it is nicer to actually win when you have the opportunity to do so, than it is to lose.

 

[Iceberg]

*don’t make dumb-American joke, don’t make dumb-American joke, don’t make dumb-American joke*

Understandable, that is the most any of us can expect from trying to have a conversation with an American.

Good talk.


*dammit*

LOL... perfect cgf.

 

[Iceberg]

I had to backtrack a couple pages to try and understand this "window" conversation, and even after doing so I have no ****ing clue what it is y'all are talking about.

I'm lost too to be honest.

 

[Freudian]

I don't really think of it as a window. More like a door or possibly a ladder.

 

[Iceberg]

? Makar delivering is part of what we need to open that 1st window. And we need Sakic to be proactive so that waiting on the OTT pick doesn’t keep us from opening our window & further limiting our swings at capitalizing on Window 1.

If Makar delivers the way we expect, then that window should last more than 4 years (if it starts next season as suggested).

 

[Bubba Thudd]

It's a portal to the pinnacle of glory...or to the pits of hell.

 

[AvsFan29]

Today we're arguing about window length, when yesterday everyone was arguing about how bad we are as a team, and how bad players are individually.

We made the playoffs last season by fluke, and have been wildly inconsistent so far this season.

I understand that there is a good chance that we could start to have playoff expectations for this team, starting next season, but that has never been more in question than it is right now. Lol the team needs to walk before it can run.

 

[cgf]

If Makar delivers the way we expect, then that window should last more than 4 years (if it starts next season as suggested).

How do you figure? If Makar reaches his ceiling & becomes the kind of elite #1 that would open our window even without significant reinforcements up front, then he just makes the cap crunch trickier rather than the forward reinforcements. If he becomes just a good #1, then we could still win a cup, but we'll definitely need to add elite firepower outside of the big line...which also means more money that needs to be set aside. There's a lot of different ways it could play out, but regardless of how exactly you distribute your spending, keeping a cap winning team...if you ever actually put one together...for more than a few years becomes untenable; the system is designed that way.

So you either need 2 of the 3 best players in the league...and even then you need to retool after they sign their big contracts until the cap rises enough to open a 2nd window...or to game the system, to have an extended cup run that last longer than 3 years. Chicago gamed the system with their cap-circumventing contracts, great recruiting of ELC FAs, aggressive management during their window, Tallon's boner for the guys that Bowman could no longer afford to keep, and taking advantage of the cap created by the Kane injury to load up with rentals for that last cup.

We have an opportunity to game the system because we have the 2nd best player in hockey signed at half his value for 4 more years, a good-but-not-yet-cup-caliber team around him including elite wingers that he has unreal chemistry with, a top 10 prospect pool, and Ottawa tanking for us...but we're still going to run into the same reality that everyone who has to pay for a contender does eventually. Which is why our way of gaming the system is to open our 1st window earlier, while being able to play the long game more in the draft, to better set us up for the retool.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Just seems like we've been waiting for the young players to mature and take the next step since Ryan Stoa was picked 10 spots ahead of Paul Stastny in 2005. Good grief, we had 4 2nd round picks and took Stoa, Stastny, Fritsche and Durand.

While I'm tired of waiting, I am at least enjoying games again. Last season and this season have been fun to watch most nights. It has been a long time since I have been able to say that.

 

[Iceberg]

How do you figure? If Makar reaches his ceiling & becomes the kind of elite #1 that would open our window even without significant reinforcements up front, then he just makes the cap crunch trickier rather than the forward reinforcements. If he becomes just a good #1, then we could still win a cup, but we'll definitely need to add elite firepower outside of the big line...which also means more money that needs to be set aside. There's a lot of different ways it could play out, but regardless of how exactly you distribute your spending, keeping a cap winning team...if you ever actually put one together...for more than a few years becomes untenable; the system is designed that way.

So you either need 2 of the 3 best players in the league...and even then you need to retool after they sign their big contracts until the cap rises enough to open a 2nd window...or to game the system, to have an extended cup run that last longer than 3 years. Chicago gamed the system with their cap-circumventing contracts, great recruiting of ELC FAs, aggressive management during their window, Tallon's ***** for the guys that Bowman could no longer afford to keep, and taking advantage of the cap created by the Kane injury to load up with rentals for that last cup.

We have an opportunity to game the system because we have the 2nd best player in hockey signed at half his value for 4 more years, a good-but-not-yet-cup-caliber team around him including elite wingers that he has unreal chemistry with, a top 10 prospect pool, and Ottawa tanking for us...but we're still going to run into the same reality that everyone who has to pay for a contender does eventually. Which is why our way of gaming the system is to open our 1st window earlier, while being able to play the long game more in the draft, to better set us up for the retool.

So, shoud we draft Knight with our 1st round pick or not?

 

[cgf]

So, shoud we draft Knight with our 1st round pick or not?

lol, depends.

If we can start contending next year without using that pick as trade bait, then sure. Knight could be a big part of window 2 & make the retool less painful...but we need to have a window 1 for that to matter.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

So once our window closes shut after the Mack deal runs out, what kind of a team are we going to be? A bubble or a wildcard team? Remember the window is closed so we can't really be that good.

We are already a bubble team and could possibly make the playoffs once again despite having a lot of room for improvement. Additionally, we are going to add a ton of high-end talent in the next few years. There is just no way we wont be one of the best teams in the west, unless the top prospects bust.

 

[hockeyviking]

One of the best goaltenders ever, traded. Patrick Roy. It's possible both ways.

Hasek was traded to.

 

[Iceberg]

lol, depends.

If we can start contending next year without using that pick as trade bait, then sure. Knight could be a big part of window 2 & make the retool less painful...but we need to have a window 1 for that to matter.

So close.

 

[UncleRisto]

Yeah and Gump Worsley was traded too.

 

[CobraAcesS]

So once our window closes shut after the Mack deal runs out, what kind of a team are we going to be? A bubble or a wildcard team? Remember the window is closed so we can't really be that good.

We are already a bubble team and could possibly make the playoffs once again despite having a lot of room for improvement. Additionally, we are going to add a ton of high-end talent in the next few years. There is just no way we wont be one of the best teams in the west, unless the top prospects bust.

Maybe it is being put over the top a little, but it will make it difficult to have quality depth, and we may even have to chose between some good players due to salary. Obviously the idea is to get the core in place, and keep the window open with ELCs for depth.

I was looking at it the other day, and there may come a time where we have like 11M or so to pay the entire bottom six. Especially once our defense matures, and we're paying more like 30M for our top six D instead of 21M like now.

30M top line, 30M on defense, about 7 to 9M on goaltending. Our second line could cost us 20M by that time too if we draft someone like Hughes or Kakko. So your sitting at 90M hoping the cap gets up to 90 to 95 in 4 years. Your money to pay the bottom six f***ing evaporates lol.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I was looking at it the other day, and there may comer. Your money to pay the bottom six ****ing evaporates lol.

That’s where good drafting comes in. Where you can bring up those Bowers type guys on their ELC’s to keep as many core players as possible.