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Were we not already doing that with the Champions League?
It didn't really work.
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Were we not already doing that with the Champions League?
It didn't really work.
DanielPlainview
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Lyon has been winning their league for 20 years and their emergence came in a totally different era. It's not applicable. You simply can't name a club that matches that description.
when’s the last time a soccer post shot to 37 pages this quickly? Ever?
bleedblue1223
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Euro Super League will have more games than Champions League and no games against clubs of lower tiers like Champions League group stage, so clubs will want their top squad always available. The founding members have guaranteed spots, so there really isn't a fight for the top 4 like we currently have. Sure, they will still want to win the title, but they won't be burning their star players out against lower tier domestic clubs.
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KesselMania has a point in that this didn't happen in a vacuum. This situation is the logical outcome of a path that UEFA itself embarked on 30 years ago. Of course, already back then it was to some extent the result of blackmail by those big clubs. Every single reform of the European Cup has been driven by blackmail from the 'big clubs' who wanted more revenue out of it. Heck, some of those clubs who kept pushing aren't even in the "club of 12". That blackmail only worked because the appearance of commercial TV on the scene. It's the deregulation of the media in Europe in the 80s that really has driven it. Without commercial TV stations, without Sky etc., the PL doesn't exist, the CL doesn't exist, and most people on this forum would likely never have watched a foreign league game.
But of course it was the public which clamored for more football on TV, more entertainment. The public that was interested in seeing 'the best' and wanted to see Man United play Real Madrid and Barcelona and Bayern, not go through Slovan Bratislava and IFK Goteborg before going out against Steaua Bucharest (just as a hypothetical example). The European public isn't any wiser, they focus on the 'haves' not the 'have nots', just like Americans want to see the Lakers and the Yankees. Of course, at no point did anyone think it'd go this far. It's death by a thousand cuts or the proverbial frog being boiled slowly but surely. And by the time things got this serious it was too late.
But make no mistake the only way to rein this in is to bring back what originally kept things under wrap in the first place - regulation. Not by UEFA but by political bodies that can actually back their edicts up with the force of the law.
But of course it was the public which clamored for more football on TV, more entertainment. The public that was interested in seeing 'the best' and wanted to see Man United play Real Madrid and Barcelona and Bayern, not go through Slovan Bratislava and IFK Goteborg before going out against Steaua Bucharest (just as a hypothetical example). The European public isn't any wiser, they focus on the 'haves' not the 'have nots', just like Americans want to see the Lakers and the Yankees. Of course, at no point did anyone think it'd go this far. It's death by a thousand cuts or the proverbial frog being boiled slowly but surely. And by the time things got this serious it was too late.
But make no mistake the only way to rein this in is to bring back what originally kept things under wrap in the first place - regulation. Not by UEFA but by political bodies that can actually back their edicts up with the force of the law.
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Jussi
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Without looking, I don't even know if the Messi to Man City threads blew up like this.
The problem starts with the power-hungry and greedy owners who are completely out of touch with European football culture.
Hundred years of European football tradition and fan culture will be destroyed if this thing goes through...Shameful!
This has to be stopped!
Hundred years of European football tradition and fan culture will be destroyed if this thing goes through...Shameful!
This has to be stopped!
BKIslandersFan
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The UK government can make them sell. They can force 50 + 1 on them. If you would stop making stupid posts all the time maybe you'd have time to read about these things and learn something for once in your life.
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hatterson
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Honestly this is one of the worst possible responses that UEFA could take.
Depriving the fans and players a chance to watch and participate in these games because of a decision the owners made that the players/fans almost universally hate would actually be a way to turn people hard against UEFA.
Not to mention they'd have their pants sued off by broadcasters for voluntarily scrapping games because of plans that won't materialize for another 2 full years (if at all)
The correct thing to do would be to attempt to go after the prize money that would be awarded. Hit the owners where they actually care about it.
Bans from future competitions could obviously work, but not a snap ban from an in progress competition.
Machinehead
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I think when Wijnaldum scored against Barca we got a solid five pages of people going "ZBUGEHUBXOISDIWO#"
It's like a 90-10 margin across the board hating this for all 6 clubs.
The blowback here is going to be absolutely fascinating. I don't know if this was terribly well thought through in terms of how hated it would be.
Why would those clubs care about that prize money? That's a pittance for them, especially when they're about to be handed 400M for breaking away. Everything UEFA does needs to be as punitive as possible.
Yup. It's the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Public perception is totally in UEFA's camp right now. People hate this. The worst thing they could possibly do is turn opinion against them by destroying their own competition. It's lunacy.
BKIslandersFan
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They can pass a new law which would be overwhelmingly supported by most of their country. Are you really this thick?
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hatterson
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The clubs in the Semis of the CL are probably looking at 75-80m euro this year. EL semis are probably something like 60-70m euro.
That's not a trivial amount of cash during the pandemic.
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Yeah, it really is that easy. They also have immigration control and can ban foreign teams from entering the country. It seems you don't know any of these things and perhaps you even think their country is like America.
Machinehead
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It is that easy.
Getting expedient working papers for foreign players involves the government. They have a huge say in sports leagues.
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Before brexit it would have been *way* harder because of the limits they're allowed to place on the free movement of workers. Now they can basically do whatever they want as long as the UK courts say it's legit.
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You did not. You named the best clubs from smaller leagues who have been competitive for a long time (some of which were obviously invited to the Super League). Then you named a team that built itself in the 1990s and has been on top of its league for 20 years
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